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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Howdy @AlwaysMyself how's your world?

I like that kind of 'informal check in' that you have with your mum. It's helpful to have a space where we feel like we can open up, but we don't feel like we have to. Have things been ok with her over the last little while?

Ahaha that story with your friend's... less than gentle descriptor has certainly given me a bit of a chuckle! I'm glad you're able to laugh too, I think sometimes things can be said that sound mean, but are also absurd enough that the unexpected words or phrasing are just so perplexing that the only thing to do is to laugh!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9

MH GP at midday tomorrow. Half hour drive each way. I know it will be good/better to have a GP for my MH (since my GP is especially not good with it) - although part of me wonders why I am bothering when it is "so late in the piece". I don't know what they can offer (advice etc) around my MH that i don't already know of my from own research over the past 2 years. Although I guess it will be good to have her on board if she is supportive of NDIS and Centrelink applications (for when my work paid leave run out). Hopefully she will understand chronic depression better than most GP who only know what a textbook teaches them.

Peer worker will be weekly 1 hour, but its only for another 7 sessions. Its an 8 week program only.

@Cuddlebear APARC doctor did a big diservice to you with that rapid reduction at the start. I do wonder if maybe it would have been less severe on your system now if your body didnt have such a traumatic shock start to it. 😣.

My GP initially was just going to halve the medication i think, but i said it would be better to do it in 25% increments since they also come in that dosage to allow that. He agreed happily that was a good/better idea. I did read that there are ways that many of the medications can be portioned into smaller dosages (if compounding chemist cannot make it) - but it depended on the medication as to if you could and the method. For mine, its actually quite simple to do - just fiddley. I'm hoping I don't need to do it, but i do know it is an option if I find i need a dose inbetween steps.

I'm glad you enjoyed the imagery of the child having a little tantrum in the corner. 😆.

It didnt go way or ease up on the thoughts, so i decided to be kind to myself and take myself to the drop-in so i could chat to someone about how i was feeling/thinking. It does help for the temporary time to talk about it, to allow it to have voice. But it also needs to be in a safe and contained space so that it doesn't take over. Thats the benefit of the drop-in place chat i guess. I still dont feel any less glum but at least the voice is a little quieter because it has been allowed to have its speech.

Wondering what you both have coming up this week?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself My eyes are saying I need eye drops or sleep so will be short post

MH GP - with them having much better knowledge, insight etc, might this possibly be more beneficial for you?

Im pinching your description of young child throwing tantrum because ….. hits close to home for me at times

sorry to hear your inner child couldn’t be settled at home. Really great you have a safe place you can go to

me this week - early start tomorrow due to croquet at 9am, meeting a friend on Thursday morning. BBQ on the weekend (can’t remember which day, need to notify I’m going and pay). Nothing then until Monday next week which will be lunch with a friend. Next couple weeks I’ve got few different things on almost everyday for the entire 2 weeks

hoping your time with PSW goes well next week. Will it be same day and time each week?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Jynx things with mum are usually OK but at times... well... sometimes its annoying. Both physical health or mental health. I really don't care much about my chronic physical health at the moment unless it is impacting my mental health -.but she doesnt seem to get that i already have a full plate. I'll still do simple things like take supplements when my blood test shows a deficiency. Most of my physical (non-pain) health can be improved to some degree by one thing - and i'm already slowly working on that and found a way to be able to do that without much added burden/stress. She just thinks i should be doing more; but its not like any of the things are life-threatening in any near future.

And i have decided i wont talk to her about any SI because i think its making her worry more than she needs to and then that gets put onto me through her wanting to know my every movement. So its better if i dont talk about it to her. Then she doesnt have to think about it and over time she will prob just assume its gone away and then not worry.

Its nice that she cares .... but she does it in a way that feels like a lot of pressure and pushing. She is, like me, a problem-solver naturally. But sometimes problems cant be solved simply and we dont have the resources to. So rehashing again and again in the same circle (because she seems to forget we've already had the conversation before) is just stressful, irritating and unhelpful.

... can you tell she's had one of those conversations with me this evening just before bed? (Seriously the worst timing for it too! Now im annoyed when im wanting to go to sleep! Which makes it harder to sleep.)

I sort of remember in some ways why i moved out 4 years ago. But i know i cant do that currently.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself, sounds like you have a lot going on with your mum. Relationships can be challenging with the people who we are closest to at times. I encourage you to continue to reach out and share your experiences with the community and they may have some insights to share from similar situations.

I don't know if you have ever reach out to talk with someone about how things are with your mum but 1800 RESPECT would be a good place to start if you think it would be beneficial.

RiverSeal

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely. How are you today?

How did MH GP go? I think they’re worth a try especially if they are right on top of the MH stuff. It will also help with NDIS and Centrelink. Having a GP experienced in mental health applications is a huge huge advantage.

Ok 8 weeks all up with peer worker and 7 to go. I wish these things were longer.

Yes APARC really stuffed up and it is definately a big factor in this brutal taper and situation. And they caused the serotonin toxicity which was extremely bad.

Im glad you were able to do smaller drops. The medication I’m on can’t be halved or quartered etc. It’s the way it is made. Compounded pharmacies can even do it due to the way this medicine is made and it’s a slow release type.

I’ve done nothing this week. My nervous system is in shutdown and I’m a complete mess. I can’t function at all. It’s all second by second. It’s a big battle to even exist. I’m safe.

Nothing helps. I can’t art, can’t listen to music, watch anything, go for walks nothing. I’m completely frozen. I feel like I’ve run out of actual options. Very depressing I know.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely. How are you?

The things causing the depression, anxiety and complex ptsd are things that have happened in my life. Serious traumatic events. Nothing I’ve tried so far has helped. CBT is totally useless for me, as is mindfulness etc.

Theres no drug that will take this all away. What I need is a quality psychiatrist to do psychotherapy and try evidence based techniques that might help. I can’t afford it though. My mental illness is caused by actual harm done to me. It’s not a chemical imbalance.

GP just wants me to taper quickly. I’m still holding what I’m on as I’m in no shape for anymore negative effects from the taper. It would be detrimental to me. He’s not happy about it and has no suggestions to a bulk billing psychiatrist or wrap around mental health service to support me.

Without $$$ there’s very little progress. 😞

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@tyme Hello lovely how are you?

it does help a little connecting on the forums. As does recovery club but it isn’t back yet.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hoping all went well and positive with MH GP today @AlwaysMyself

here if you want/need to chat

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hey @AlwaysMyself 🙂

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