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Shoulder to Shoulder: Veteran Families

RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

At the bottom of this post is a very special community webinar.

Ruth Clare, author of Enemy and renowned lived experience speaker, explores the often-unseen impacts of military trauma on the families of veterans.

Watch the recording below

This webinar is personal, raw and very inclusive. It is a must watch!

About Ruth Clare

Ruth Clare is the award-winning author of Enemy, a memoir about growing up as the child of a Vietnam veteran. She is also a TEDx and keynote speaker, qualified scientist, coach, and copywriter. Her work combines compelling storytelling, research, and practical tools to support others facing trauma to create thriving lives. Her TEDx talk, The Pain of Hiding Your True Self, has reached over half a million viewers, and her next two books, Beyond Fight Flight Freeze Fawn and Turn Fear into Courage, will be published this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YrMrpqZT8c

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In response to: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

thank you so much for your reply i really appreciate it. i’ve told my kids about sane but unfortunately they both find it very hard to talk about. the word military’ or anything relating to the defence force triggers panic attacks for my daughter & my son just gets angry. it’s so hard for me seeing how they react to just hearing the word army. what my poor babies witnessed & endured for the first 11 & 6 years of their lives was just beyond comprehension. i hope & pray daily that things will get better because they deserve so much more

In response to: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

Dumb question
Have you contacted Open Arms, Legacy and The RSL for support ?

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

Hi there @lala3 ,

That sounds incredibly tough for your children (and you). Even if they don't access the Veterans part of the forums, they are welcome to connect with the community here: saneforums.org to support their general mental health and wellbeing.

Thank you so much for getting in touch. Is there anything you would like to share with the community in regards to how you are managing?

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

I am so, so sorry to hear of all the terrible things you and your kids have lived through. Thanks so much for your bravery in sharing your story. I honestly have no words except my most heartfelt compassion and my deepest wish that little, by little, you might all find yourselves feeling better. Please know that you are never alone. There are always avenues of support. Have you ever spoken to Lifeline or contacted Open Arms? I know it won’t erase the past but it can be so helpful to be heard

and supported. Much love to you all 💛

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

That is a lovely response and I would like to echo the idea that the dark times don’t last and things can change. It feels trite when you are in the midst of real struggle but I am so glad I kept persisting. My life has changed so much and I think though it may not ever be perfect, life is full of twists and turns. If you keep trying, solving problems a bit at a time, asking for help, learning new things, it does shift. Do you have a community you can connect with? It has been a big thing for me learning to trust, but there are so many great people in the world. You never deserved any of the bad things that happened, please know good things (and good people) can happen too 💛

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

Hey @lala3, thank you for sharing your family's experiences with the community!

It sounds like you and your children have been through so much with your ex-partner and his service. It takes real courage to share our challenges, and you are being really brave sharing these experiences with your peers.

I'm so pleased to hear that you have found some safety away from your ex-partner and the children have had some time growing up without his influence and witnessing his behaviours. I can only imagine how hard it must have been for all of you, and that it is understandable that it has taken its toll on all of you.

I know @0ddsidian mentioned that your children might benefit from the Forums to and that you said that it might not be for them due to their trauma around taking about the mititary. But with trauma you don't have to talk abou the cause and just focus on how it impacts you and how it makes you feel. And we work towards finding ways to cope with our feelings and thoughts without retraumatising a person.

The Guided Recovery could be a good space for that for all of you where you can talk with a Peer Support Worker or Counsellor for 7 sessions and focus on feelings and throughts. Totally up to you and you know your children best and yourself too. But if you would like to take a look here is the link:

https://www.sane.org/referral

I'm so glad taht you have found a safe space here where you are comfortable to share your experiences and I'm sure the community will have insights to share with you too. I encourage you to stay connected and reach out when you need to!

Take care

RiverSeal

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

@Ruth_Clare

I am the daughter of a National Serviceman. He was violent. There was interpersonal violence in our house both between he and Mum but also between him and us kids. I have a lot of ACE’s.
I did join the Army but was medically discharged 2 1/2 years later. I am trying to work through my childhood trauma with my psychologist. I am finding your webinar very interesting. I am watching it now.

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

I also found the webinar amazing @Oaktree . It made so much sense about the hidden impact of military service on families of veterans. So much of what @Ruth_Clare spoke about in the webinar, I'd never even considered.

It really opened my eyes.

Thank you for sharing your story @Oaktree

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

@tyme @Ruth_Clare

My daughter has also been traumatised because of my mental illness. I think that my mental illness wouldn’t have manifested if it hadn’t been for my Army service. I was pushed very hard mentally and physically in the service. I would like to find a way to help her but she is not open to discussing things with me. Do you have any advice?

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Re: RECORDING: The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans

In answer to the question:

My daughter has also been traumatised because of my mental illness. I think that my mental illness wouldn’t have manifested if it hadn’t been for my Army service. I was pushed very hard mentally and physically in the service. I would like to find a way to help her but she is not open to discussing things with me. Do you have any advice?

Thanks for reaching out and I'm sorry to hear your military service had such a big impact on your mental health. I hope you are being supported in your healing journey.

I think it’s so complicated when you’ve had a trauma history and you’re a parent. You can often unintentionally act in ways that can cause harm. I know for me, when my kids were little, though I tried not to be, I was sometimes too impatient. I sometimes yelled when my emotions overwhelmed me. I found it difficult to relax. I think my expectations were too high. This, despite, having spent years in therapy, and being very mindful of not repeating the patterns of my childhood.

It is not clear from your question about the nature of the issues you have with your daughter, but there’s something I read in a book called Seven Habits of Highly Effective People that I think translates to many situations, including this one: Seek first to understand, then to be understood.

How much do you understand about the exact nature of the issues your daughter has with you as a parent?
Are you able to write these issues down as best you understand them?
Are you able to talk these issues through with a therapist?

I think it’s natural, especially when we have experienced trauma, that we want people to see that our actions were unintentional. We want to explain our behaviour, make them understand our experiences, and how they contributed to making us the person we are today.

But if the goal is to re-connect to your daughter, and she is unwilling to participate in that process, I would begin by really trying to put myself in her shoes. Without expectation of immediate forgiveness or reciprocal understanding. Because unless we understand the nature of the problem, it’s really hard to find a solution.

I know for me with my dad, I wish he had understood just how deeply he hurt me and the profound impact his behaviour had on me, not just as a child, but as an adult who felt unworthy and unloveable for much of my life. I wish that he had said sorry to me for the way he treated me.

I know you have had your own trauma experiences, and I am sorry for that. You absolutely deserved to be supported in healing from them. There are a lot of veteran support programs and free therapy options available. I understand you can't turn back time or change your history and that you might really want your daughter to see all you have been through, so she can accept and forgive you. But healthy parent/ child relationships are by their nature always somewhat one-sided. Your daughter may be an adult, but in terms of your relationship dynamic you will always be the parent, and she will always be your child.

As a parent I see our role is to care for, protect and support our children no matter how old they are. My main parenting goal is to build a relationship with my kids where they feel seen, held and loved by me for the people they are. That means I continually put myself in their shoes to see what they need from me or how I might be able to support them.

I am by no means perfect. I still say things in the heat of the moment that I regret. But as soon as I have calmed down, I apologize. I do this without explanation or justification for my behaviour. “I’m really sorry. I didn’t mean to say that.” If they want to vent at me, I let them, and reflect back to them what I am hearing without biting back. I am often fighting the cortisol in my body and need to do nervous system support practices like breathing, grounding in the present etc (the stuff I write about in my book Beyond Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn), to support myself during this process.

As I don’t know the exact nature of the issues you face. I wonder if, rather than this just being a historical reckoning, there is also some current day situations that your daughter has set some boundaries around that are being violated? For instance, if your daughter has said that she doesn’t want you to be drunk around her, are you able to commit to not drinking before you see her, or when in her presence? (I’m just using this is just an example as I don’t know your situation). If your daughter didn’t feel safe around you in the past, it’s really important that she be allowed to set some rules and have some control.

I know this is all really complicated. It’s hard work. It often involves digging deep and making some big changes. It might take much longer than you would like. It might not even work because she might not be willing to risk letting you back into her life. But doing the work of healing is never wasted, and at least you will know down to the marrow of your bones that you have done everything you could.

My book Enemy tries to hold both the perspective of what it feels like to be a traumatized veteran, while sharing my own experience as a child who grew up with a traumatized veteran father. Both veterans and veteran children have told me this book has helped them to find a way to have compassion for each other. I am just sharing that in case this might also help you.

Very best of luck to you and your daughter. I hope you can find a way to re-build your relationship.

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