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Coping with life's difficulties

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@Till23

My way of handling things has usually been to just go into zombie mode. I completely withdraw and just lose motivation to do anything. I did that for a week or say at the start of last year after finding out I had become resistant to the first hormone therapy. I was told i would be on it for 3 years, go off it... monitor the PSA... if it started going up too much, go back on it for a while and repeat. It seemed like a good deal to me at the time if that was all i had to deal with. I only made it to the 2nd PSA test in late December 2023 to get the bad news, so i never got close to the 3 years. Zombie mode hit and it took my months to really start to get my head together again. I think it was May that I found here and joined.

I have heard that a lot of CSA survivors do turn to drugs and alcohol and the damage that it does to their lives. So i think its a lot of credit to you that you didn't go down such a destructive route. But even so it's hard to imagine who difficult it must have been for you, even to just to trust anyone.


I have come up with so many reasons why people can just sort of disappear when someone they know gets cancer. You listed some of the man ones but i came up with quite a few. In the end I decided I didn't care what their reasons were. If they weren't going to be there for me, I didn't want them around. I wasn't going to pretend and people please anymore, thinking I had to people what people wanted, always be the happy, funny person so they would want me around which I had done for most of my life. Realising that had got me nowhere but a handful of people who disappeared as soon as i really needed them after never asking anything from them, i just decided "no more". I think that was probably the main thought that made me look for somewhere to reach out and brought me here. I had decided that if i didn't want these unsupportive people around, then maybe I could find people who would support me. I was also a couple of months into the planning for the cancer support group i was working on which had really got me motivated to get back into life again.

I was lucky I guess when I had my 8 weeks of radiation. I didn't have work and my partner was working from home a lot so she would just drop me off, i'd whizz in to get done and she would come pick me up. The were upgrading one of the 2 machines they had for the first 6 weeks i was there so they were done to one machine. To make up for it they ran until 9pm, so getting sessions later in the day was fairly easy.


It was a bit annoying because when i went it for the planning session and the baseline image they take, they suddenly ask me once i was laying there was it okay if the give me three little tattooed dots so they could align me in the same position for all the sessions. What was I going to say? So i have tattoos now even though i've looked but i cant find them anymore. So it's not very impressive if someone asks to see my tats. ‌‌ The annoying bit is the new machine didn't need the tattoos! But in hindsight, I'm kind of glad i did so I can say i have 3 tattoos but i'm not showing you.


In the past year I have joined cancer support groups, adoptee support groups and MH support groups. And one thing I've heard time and time again from new people joining is the first think I thought... that I thought these feelings were just me and/or it so great to talk to people who understand what it's like. It really is nice to be able to talk to someone and not spend most of the conversation trying to explain what it like. Especially when some of it you don't even know how to really explain. Rather just talk to someone and you both know the other person just gets it.


That's the excuse they generally use. That they're just concerned about me and that it might be too much. The past one i tried, the one that was with the chemo patients, I go to go there and have a tour and a chat. I was very upfront about where I was in my treatments and that it was always going to be ongoing. That I had done all of these support things, including starting the support group and this is what helped me the most and drove me. She seemed very impressed and said she needed to speak to head office and organize the paperwork and i would be able to start in about 3 weeks. I got an email a week later saying she had talked to head office and they decided to put a pause on my application and that i was welcome to come back in 6 months when my treatment was finished. Like I said, I was very clear about where I was treatment was, and they are a cancer treatment centre so they know my situation. It just felt like a don't call us, we'll call you. And it was just an email. That was the last one i tried as I just could keep doing it.

I have found some volunteer opportunities since then. A member of a steering committee at the local hospital for a nationwide register/database of prostate cancer patients and their outcomes over time. Various studies, workshops, and research projects. All of them are due to me being a "consumer" but they all do seem to value my input from a patients point of view on a multitude of areas, so any little thing i can do and find another little positive or two from my situation.


It must be so rewarding volunteering and helping out homeless people and others really struggling financially. It's so great that they have you there to treat them with some dignity and talk to them and understand them. I'm sure it means the world to them to be treated like a person and not feel like they're there being looked down upon or being judged. As someone who had spent most of their lives finding it near impossible to ask for help, I can't imagine how hard it must be to have to ask for something so simple like food. The main solution with homeless people seems to be just get them out of sight in a lot of places. So anything, or anyone that makes them feel like the have some dignity and respect is so important. If my parents both died when i was in my 20s for example. The house would have needed to be sold and the proceeds divided between us. No because then i found it so hard to find a job because of my own issues as soon as they money run out from paying rent and all the other expenses of living somewhere by myself, I could so easily of become homeless myself. It only takes a couple of things to go wrong at the wrong time for anyone. But unfortunately it does seem to be so much harder for people dealing with traumas and just trying to do their best to cope and get through life. Some of us can hide it better than others and some people have more to deal with but it can be so hard and it's nice to get a little understanding and compassion. It goes such a long way when you can find it. Those childhood traumas stick with you! It becomes the way your brain is wired and it's so hard to change. I honestly don't think you ever do get rid of it, you can just learn to find ways to work around it and get some wins against it. But it takes a lot of time, luck and help.


A lot of people are surprise at my social issues, especially here i think because it's all online. I have time to think about responses, edit them, reword them, change them. It takes me a while. In person I don't have that luxury and i think i freeze. While I do admit i've become better at it, all that anxiety, self-doubt, and low self-esteem issues are still there. I think I've always been good at faking it, but in person it's very had to hide and i think it's much more obvious that i'm not that comfortable around people. Although i think a lot of people may see it as other things. Like maybe I don't care, or i'm disinterested, of maybe even arrogance because I keep to myself. If someone starts a conversation with me now, i think i'm a lot better and more comfortable doing that now. But stick me in a room with someone else and I will sit there in awkward silence longer than anyone else. I will never start the conversation. These days it's not even really because I don't know what to say or think i will embarrass myself like i would have in the past. I think now it's just more of those doubts still say "Don't talk to them, they don't want to talk to you. If they did they would have said something by now." I know it's wrong in most cases and most times the person would be very polite and have a conversation, but those doubts are strong and still have a lot of power of the more rational side of my brain.

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Hi @Till23

Yes, things have turned out for my partner. That job interview she had offered her a job. She just has to wait until the end of this week for the administrations to formally shit the place down, or someone offers to take the staff, to accept the new job. Otherwise she would be classed as quitting and lose about $20,000 in redundancy payments.

I know I can't take responsibilities for other people's decisions, but i just worry that there is a reason some of the advanced guys have felt like not coming back. Maybe it was something I could change, or make easier. But I also understand, being in that position, that it would be so easy for them to just want to distance themselves from anything cancer related. It can get a lot when you know the fight is lifelong. So i understand that there may be other reasons, but I'll still try to see if there's anything I could do better.

I attend a couple of adoptee support groups, so that's about it. But i'd like to use my peer work training to do some more. Not sure that would ever happen but it's ideally what i'd like to focus on. Hopefully help others as much as i've been helped the past year or so with what i've learned.

That shift in the thinking we have about ourselves is so difficult to change, even a little at times. I don't think I would have been able to do any of it without the cancer diagnosis. But starting to doubt those thoughts has at least allowed me to improve that thinking enough to take on things I would have always found a way out of... or never even thought to attempt in the first place. It's still terrifying as hell, but it's improve my life in many ways. It's strange how even such a small change in my thinking and self-worth has had such big changes. Maybe the change in thinking is more than I think. I really don't know. But I have people i've only known for a year expressing their surprise at some of the things I do and say now. It's really very motivating to get feedback like that, especially from people who haven't known me that long. It kind of reinforces how much i've changed and reminds me that it's something I should keep working hard on. I guess that's why i'd like to work with adoptees to try and help those who had the same self-worth issues i had. Not just adoptees though, anyone with those attachment struggles.

Maybe that's because we both seem to enjoy these chats so much. We've experience similar things, and some very different things, but there's enough common struggles that are often not shared so I think we both find it helpful to talk to someone else who is willing to talk about these struggles openly and honestly. And i've learnt so much from these talks that I feel like i'm in a much better place to support people with their own MH issues than I would have been without them.

It's great that you want to try and work on the masking and take some of that pressure off yourself. I know it's not easy at all, and it's a slow process. But so worth the effort. And like I said before, you don't have to change that much before you notice changes in your life. I really hope you can find some similar success in this to that which I feel i've had. And of course, i'm always here to talk about it and offer and advice I can, or just listen. I've still so much to learn and work on, that it's so helpful to have another person to talk to about this.

I can understand that resistant to be dependent on anyone. I've always been the same. To ask someone for help with anything always felt like such a massive failure to me. Like I was a failure. It's one of the hardest things to change, but like the rest of it... small changes taking pressure of myself when there's a step backwards... or to the side.

I'm glad to hear your cold has eased. Hopefully you're feeling close to 100% now, or soon will be. I've just been told my dinner is ready so I better head off. Chat later.

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Hey @MJG017 I saw you were on and it seems I did not answer your last post. I don't know if that was when the forums were really acting up as I remember typing some things in response!

I was thinking of you because it happens that the Clinical Oncology Society of Australia and the International Psycho-oncolgy Society combined meeting is in Adelaide starting today at the Convention Centre. You can Google the program and there are some interesting talks and poster presentations on things relevant to bith you and I

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So now @MJG017 back to your previous post to which my response does not appear. Of course I won't remeber exactly what I wrote but probably at least some of it!.

I hope you are going ok. It's been a month since our last chat.

Things are looking good for your partner job-wise and yes best not to lose the redundancy as that's quite a good amount.

I definitely get trying to find out why the advanced guys seems to drop out of the groups. If it's something easy to remediate that would be good. I feel like it's probably going to be a range of things and a bit individual to each person, but you never know.

I'm glad that you have learnt a lot in the last year. You are so lovely in wanting to use those learnings to help other people.

I definitely understand it and wish I could do more myself. I have had a busy year this year, despite being my first year of retirement. I hope I can find some more opportunities. I was hoping the lived experience thing for NSW health might move a bit faster than it has, I do wonder if that is down to funding, which I think is highly likely.

I agree, although I think my cancers have been very different for me than you, even at the very first diagnosis, I have done things that I otherwise would have been unlikely to do. It's extremely unlikely I would have done my sport, which has been positive, not just from the exercise perspective, but also through meeting other people and being involved in the club. Sometimes I think to myself, and I have said it out loud, who would have though having cancer was a good thing. There is a thing called post traumatic growth and being diagnosed with cancer is a trauma.

I think the attachment area is a major cause of later life issues, so I'm sure people would find it useful. Although I am wondering if many people would realise that their issues were due to attachment problems in early life.

Since our last chat I have been busy going to Australian Masters Games in Canberra where the team I was in won a gold and two silver medals. Then it was the 7 Bridges walk which I managed to get round all but the last few kms because I had injured my knee two weeks before! [edited by moderator] Now we are in the middle of organising a Bunnings sausage sizzle for our club, so I've been quite busy. However, I could have got on the forums and checked this thread, so I am sorry about that.

Have you done anything new apart from being the star of your peer support course?

I have joined another couple of things just recently, one because I was getting my haircut and I must have said something, possibly about my sport and the hairdresser asked if I would be interesting in a walking group, which I joined. I was a bit busy with my sport at first to attend any, but went to my first one a couple of weeks ago and have just signed up for a 5 day walk on the South Coast of NSW for next year! Which will be after I come back from the overseas event for my sport in 2026. The other thing I joined again I've only been to one meet up and I let the mask down a little there but it is early days in both of them.

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@Till23

I would be interested in a CSA survivor group. Would I find something like that on facebook? Hi @MJG017 @Till23 I hope you don’t mind me reading through your thread?

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Hi @Oaktree how are you. Yes, as you can see MJG017 and I started this thread because we both have cancer, we decided it best to move ourselves from your thread many months ago.

In the past there have been some CSA survivor groups, I feel as though there may be less of them now, but I don't actually know. It also definitely depends what state you are in for face to face ones.

I always worry about posting stuff on Facebook, however I am sure there are probably groups.

Your local sexual assault centre should be able to give you some guidance for groups for non-recent (or historical) abuse. They would definitely be across recent CSA. I don't know if Blue Knot has any information on groups, they haven't in the past, but this may have changed.

As you know MH funding is abysmal and this may have affected the ability to provide groups through the public system.

Sorry that's not terribly helpful

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Hi @Till23

I've been okay. I've been quite busy with studies and medical things... as always. Winning that peer work student award feels like it's put a lot of pressure on me to actually apply for jobs now. I'm really not sure I have it in me, but having won the award, I just feel so much pressure to do something. Otherwise it feels like an insult to all the other students who worked so hard and are looking for jobs and would have loved to have won and have that help them in their job search. It just feels like a bit of an insult to them for me not to try. You have to love the damage attachment does to your head over a lifetime!

Medically, my latest PSMA PET (about 3 weeks ago) scan showed nothing... a little dot lit up on a rib, but was inconclusive. So I asked if I could get a FDG PET scan just in case there is some PSMA adverse cancer there somewhere. My oncologist agreed... I think more just to keep me happy. He did say if it helps to put my mind at ease then it's worth doing. So I have this (5th) PET scan at the end of the month. I also found a trial I seemed to be eligible for, so i told my oncologist and he sent a referral off and have an appointment at the oncology department at the hospital I get my PET scans on Tuesday. The trial is for people on the receptor inhibitors who have become resistant to them. The idea is a boost shot of testosterone every month to try and re-sensitise the cancer to the hormone therapy... to hopefully get a bit more time out of it. My oncologist seemed to agree it would be worth trying.

I also got to be on a panel at a prostate cancer research symposium last week, so that was fun. Being full of researchers made me the thickest person in the room, and I understood only bits of all the presentations, but it was very interesting. One of the oncologists who gave a talk is apparently involved in this trial i found, so it may actually be him I see on Tuesday. I also had a young research come up tome at the end asking about my support group as she is interested in learning more about young men dealing with prostate cancer.

Everything always seems to come down to funding doesn't it. Hopefully things can speed up a bit for you, or you can find some more opportunities. You have so much you can offer and I know a lot of these people see it, but... well... funding.

Congratulations on the medals. A gold and 2 silvers! What a great achievement. Whatever sport it is you're in, you must be pretty good at it. A pity we can't share photos like that here, but i'm so happy for you that you had such great success.

I certainly don't mind you joining in @Oaktree I don't think we ever meant this as a private chat, just that not many other people liked talking about the things we talked about in here so it has just been Till23 and I.

It's getting late and i'm almost asleep so I had better go. I didn't want to leave it to tomorrow to reply, because I'd probable forget and it would be a week or more before I remembered. My memory is getting terrible. The main reason I was even on the PC now was to reply to some emails that I needed to get to but had forgotten during the week.


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Hey @MJG017 I have just found your post from last month that I somehow missed. I am so sorry. I haven’t seen you on the forums for ages, but I haven’t been on much, then I saw you make some posts last few days.

How did your FDG PET scan go, hope it showed nothing I hope the rib dot on the PSMA scan was not on it.

What is happening with the trial? Did you get on it?

That was amazing that you got on the prostate cancer panel, was that to talk about the support group?

Also good that people are interested in supports for people with cancer.

Was that the COSA conference that was in Adelaide. (It’s all cancers not just prostate cancer).

Apart from those things, how have you been going. It’s about a year since we first met on the forums.

I am so glad that your cancer has been stable. How has your MH been going?

I saw somewhere you were going on a trip?

I hope you have a wonderful time.

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Hi @Till23

I haven;t been around much for quite a while, but starting to get a bit more involved again in the past day or so. Maybe i'm feeling a little out of practice 😀
I've finished my course and I've talked to a couple of my counsellors and my psych about what's next. I was having problems applying for peer work jobs... lack of confidence, you know... the usual stuff. After chats to all of them about it over the past couple of weeks, I decided to apply for a couple this last week. I surprise myself sometimes. I think it was something I blurted out to one of them when we were discussing it, and the reasons why I felt I wouldn't apply. I said "I don't know what I scared of after what I've dealt with the past 3 years! Applying for a job is nothing compared to what all of that!" It just put it all in a bit of perspective. Who knows if I'll get an interview, but if I don't then so what?! It's not like i'm applying for the money. I came out of retirement to even try to I applied. I told my counselor and she was more excited about it than I was! 😁

That is my good news for recent times. The rest involves family... so best not to talk about it. It would probably involve a lot of swearing. Oh, I've officially started the WOMBAT clinical trial as well. Had all the screening tests and scans and officially began on the 16th with a shot of testosterone. They didn't tell me it was 2 shots and they didn't tell me they were in the butt cheeks. One in each. I'm not sure I would have said it was okay for the student nurse to be there If I had of known that! 🤣 Having said that, I had about 6 or 7 student nurse looking on after I just had the surgery and lets just say nothing was left to the imagination. So after that, anything else is a lot easier to have people looking on.

They said there was something small showing up of the FDG PET, but nothing conclusive, so that's good news. The symposium I went to was just a prostate cancer one. The panel I was on was for the question "Will the new early detection guidelines help get younger men to get tested?". It was a good day, and people seemed to like my answers so it was fun. I had a couple of researchers come up to me afterwards wanting to ask a few other questions, so that was nice as well.

I'm not sure I'd call my cancer stable. The PSA is rising very quickly, but no definite spread so far, so that is good news. The real test will be when is does show up, how fast does it spread and where exactly. So i'm just trying to stay positive for the time being. I know it's going to get a lot harder eventually, but for now, I'm feeling okay physically. Having some testosterone back in my body for the first time in almost 3 years helps! 😆

Yes, i'm going over to WA to visit a friend on the 12th Jan. I'll be there until the 24th. The 12th can't come fast enough. I'm really looking forward to get over there and just leave everything back here for a couple of weeks. Mentally it's still a struggle, but I'm managing. This time of year doesn't help but I get by.

How have you been since last we caught up? Any more traveling?

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Hi @MJG017 sounds like things are reasonably good for you at the moment, with going on a holiday, finishing your course, applying for jobs and getting on the trial. Also no obvious disease progression, despite increased PSA. And remaining active in the cancer support space. I am really happy for you.

I have not done any travelling since we last chatted.

I will be away over Christmas and New Year to my Dad's place to try and tidy that up and get ready for sale. It is dragging on a bit because his property is so far away and off grid, so not easy staying there, plus we did get rid of quite a lot of stuff last time we were there.

Therefore I will be on the forums even less/nt really at all during that time.

It has been about 10 - 11 months since we met each other on the forums, starting this thread in early March 2025! And nearly a year since I retired. I wish I was further along in being settled into retirement and also in my MH journey. I hope those things can improve in the next year. On the other hand I hope that your cancer does not progress, you give so much to other people.

Hope you have as good a Christmas as possible - not sure if it's a particularly good time for you. It's not really for me - mainly because it reminds me of importand aspects o my lie I have not fulfilled, like relationships and children. You'd think that might get easier as time went on, but it seems not.

I hope you have a great trip away, I remember you really seem to enjoy last year's trip.

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Hi@Till23

Yeah, overall I'm doing pretty well. Mentally it's a struggle at times. What family I have shows no interest in how I'm going so a lot of that support pressure falls on my partner... which just makes me want to not make it harder for her so I still do keep a fair bit of it to myself. Some days it's just hard to forget that big dark cloud looming on the horizon. Most of the time I can not think about it and just live in the now. But it's like as soon as you mention it's hard sometimes, people say you're being negative and need to enjoy what you can now. I think I do a pretty good job of that, but it doesn't mean there are times when it's very hard. I am at least lucky to have a couple of very supportive people in my life so i'm always thankful for that. They help me keep my eyes of that cloud in the distance. Finding a good psychologist who understands and doesn't keep telling me to "be more positive" has helped a lot.

Is there much work to do at your Dad's place? I guess the remoteness has pros and cons. I imagine the skies would be quite dark out there at night. I could stare up at the stars for hours. Now that you've been retired for almost a year, how has it been? I know some people have said it the best thing every and other people hate it. How has it affected your MH? Hopefully you feel like you're making some good progress. Hopefully we can both make some good life-progress in the coming year.

Christmas isn't exactly something I look forward to, but I get through it. I think it has similar challenges that you mentioned... "important aspects of my life I have not fulfilled, like relationships and children" sums it up pretty perfectly for me as well. Added to the fact that my own family doesn't seem to show any interest in me and my health, that lack of my own family and the legacy of spending so much of my life hiding myself away hurts now more than ever with everything going on. I told me psychologist the last time we spoke that i feel like i'm trying to make up for 53 years in the time I have left. I know that's impossible but it motivates me to keep doing what I do, so I use it in a positive way. It's an odd dichotomy I suppose. Trying to achieve the impossible to allow me to achieve things I could never do before.

Yes, thanks. I'm really looking forward to my trip. My partner is flying off in the morning of the 12th Jan as originally planned, but I have an appointment with my trial that couldn't be moved, so I'm flying off mid afternoon. A bit of a pain reorganising all of that but just can't wait to get over there and just enjoy the next 12 days. I hope you have a 'good as possible' Christmas yourself and hopefully we can continue these chats for another (almost) year.

Take care Till, and thanks for helping keep me Sane this year. I hope I've done the same for you.

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