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Disturbing thoughts after viewing suicide video

Disturbing thoughts after viewing suicide video

Hi, I'm a new member though I've been reading discussions on here for a while. I was diagnosed with type 2 Bipolar Disorder around 3 years ago following a hospitalisation and consequent loss of employment. I've suffered severely with these MI issues since I was a teenager, however it took around 25 years to finally receive a useful diagnosis. I have somehow managed to achieve a lot academically, though my career is very far behind that of other people of similar age (in the scheme of things this is not really an issue).

I am now on very useful medication and have had a lot of psychological therapy, which is ongoing. My moods are now much more stable, though I still seem to cycle up and down slightly (mostly down). I am amazed at how good the medication has been. My GP thinks I'm probably cyclothymic now, which is far from ideal but I am able to manage this. Consequently, for the last year my life has been improving and I am regaining a career.

Recently I viewed a video of a young girl committing suicide. From what I have seen she was a sweet, smart and engaging young girl. I have been profoundly saddened by this girl's passing, and I think about this poor girl and the details of her suicide everyday. These thoughts are pretty much with me constantly, to the point of being intrusive. I have talked about this with my GP and he says it sounds like rumination for which mindfulness can be helpful. He suggested it may be caused by many years of SI, so my brain is now (reversibly) hardwired to think about such things. It seems a little absurd, seeing as I never personally knew the girl, however the feelings seem to be similar to grief. I'm not sure what I'm feeling and I'm becoming concerned that it might be something more sinister, as my mood seems to be particularly low after this experience. I sometimes have feelings of hoplessness and despair, though they are not severe as yet.

I'm also seeing my psychologist next week to talk about this, however I was wondering whether anyone else has had a similar experience, what their interpretation of it was, and how they dealt with it?

Many thanks, AF

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Hi, I've been feeling better as I've managed to stay away from the girl's videos for three days. It wasn't easy but I knew I had to distance myself. I spoke with my psychologist about this issue and they said that I was obsessing over her suicide, since the related thoughts were interfering with my daily routine. Also, staying away from the videos was apparently the smart thing to do. My psychologist also suggested that I was identifying with the girl, and that I needed to break this identification by realising that she could not see the transience of her suffering whereas I have been able to with mine. The problem is that when severely depressed I was never able to view my suffering as transient, and I don't believe anyone can in that situation. Moreover, a young person does not have the cognitive ability to realise that everything is transient. So, breaking this identification is not so easy.

I wonder why this girl committed suicide, however I didn't? Perhaps I was lucky in some way, perhaps I had more supports, or maybe it's just random. It seemed that this girl had no support from anyone in her life, including family, friends, school and healthcare professionals, so she was (unfortunately) reaching out online as a last resort. @utopia, I like your suggestion of helping out with an organisation that tries to prevent suicide. When I discovered that this girl had taken her own life, I wished that I knew that she was struggling so that I could have communicated with her or alerted someone who could have helped her.

@Appleblossom, you and @utopia are right. We do need to protect ourselves, especially when we have a MI. After my bipolar diagnosis I realised that I had to change my life a lot, particularly by reducing stress. This was a way of protecting my newfound mood stability, since medication and psychological therapy cannot maintain this stability under all circumstances. The changes were very difficult, but over time I've come to accept them. Viewing the video of this girl's suicide was not a good idea for me, but it is the first time I have been so extremely affected by such an experience. It has made me realise that I have to avoid putting myself in such situations again, which is easier said than done, but I have more motivation to follow it through now.

@utopia, I really liked your comment that, 'as people living with MI - I think we are more vulnerable to taking on the feelings of others'. I think this is very often the case and it relates directly to my recent experience, as I was taking on this poor girl's despair and hopelessness. It was in no way helpful to me to do that, and there was nothing I could do to help her at that point anyway.

AF

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I am glad you managed to detach yourself from following and researching more about the young girl. @AlgebraicFury

Even when we know the person we may never really know all the things that added up to push them over in that fateful moment.

I am resigned to the fact that suicide is a part of my life and I warn myself I cant get cocky or detach completely from the issue .. I have even tried to claim some control over my SI and make possible "methods" part of my recovery processes.. ie in choosing to make a life worth living.

It is very scary for how long I was so obssessed with it, but I didnt think about suicide much when I was on my recent holiday. It was others who mentioned it .. and so my inner world became aligned with the outer world .. but it was not in a copycat fashion .. it was just that one person whom I sang next to made a private sharing and a health official made a public declaration ,, I felt heard... that helps.

It sounds as if you have done a lot of good psychological work and have a good therapist.

Take care

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@AlgebraicFury. Sounds like you've done a lot of thinking on this issue today - & that you have come up with your own answers / solutions. Plus the help from your psychologist.
Avoiding this video for 3 days - while hard - seems to have given you a different perspective on this issue. Well done.
Unfortunately a few of us here on the forum are currently working through our own emotions and triggers regarding suicide (regarding a member friend).
As such, I'm good at dishing out advice - but struggling to put it all into perspective for me.
I can talk the talj - but I'm not walking the walk. If you know what I mean.
I'm glad that you brought up this topic - & I think over the next few days, I may revisit this post and reread over everything. But at the moment - I'm just a bit numb.
Well done on avoiding this video these past few days.

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Hi @AlgebraicFury

I know the video you speak of, I haven't seen it and never will but I read a news story about it. Apparently the girls family are desperately trying to get the video removed from the internet but now that it's proliferated it's going to be a hard task. I don't generally believe in censorship but I do for videos and pictures like that. Only the authorities should see those things in my opinion. I'm so sorry that you were subjected to it, I hope you feel better soon.

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Hi @Dothemo, I think it is great that you didn't watch the girl's suicide video. I don't believe the video will ever completely disappear from the internet. It would have been downloaded by so many people that there will always be a source for it.

Part of the reason I watched the video is because I also don't believe in censorship for adults, as I like to know the truth and reality of our world. Unfortunately, my neurotransmitters don't seem to function in the 'normal' manner so I can be adversely affected by experiences which may not have the same effect on someone without a MI. In fact, I can be adversely affected by the most mundane of experiences. Perhaps you are right that such videos and photos should be censored, at least to protect those whom are vulnerable to them.

What seemed to make the experience worse for me was that I was able to learn about her life before her suicide as she had a prior online presence. This just made it so much more real for me and I started to identify with her. I was thankfully able to stop watching her videos, and I have been gradually feeling better. It seems that I am still learning about what can trigger me.

All the best, AF

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@AlgebraicFury. My psychologist advised me that because I've had PTSD - I'm more susceptible to triggers in the future. And the trigger may not be the same trigger - it's likely to be different and possibly something that would be minor - to others.
But on a cellular level - my body will react with full PTSD type physical symptoms.
Therefore I need to be careful and think about what could be a possible trigger and avoid those things.
Could this be something useful for you and your psychologist to discuss?

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Hi @AlgebraicFury , I can understand what you went through completely, it’s so tragic what happened to the girl it is almost inconceivable. But perhaps if there is a heaven, that girl is there now. I think what you experienced is completely normal because you are a kind and empathetic person. I am empathetic also so I would also be effected by the video and her cyber footprint. I think they should remove videos of deceased persons out of respect for the deceased and the family of the deceased. I think also because it can inspire dark thoughts in others. But you are right, they are not going to be able to completely remove that video now that it’s proliferated unfortunately.

I am very glad you are feeling better now, if you distract your mind further – it will heal itself quickly and you will come back stronger!

Regards,
Dothemo

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@AlgebraicFury. My kids dad suicided, then my father passed, then we lost Elvis. The loss of Elvis affected the world as did the loss of princess Di My dad's death meant my family (such as it was, completely abandoned me with 2 kids). I do understand your sentiments regarding death by suicide or natural causes. My daughter was 6 when her father suicided, I had to try to explain why she would never see him again. To this day, over 40 years later, I'm still lost. He was the eldest of 8 siblings, he was from a 'loving, caring, nurturing family', yet he was lost to everyone in his severe depression. To dwell on the why's, why not's is understandable, but distressing as we who are left, never find the answers. It's a feeling of, if we'd only known, what could we have done. What could we have done to prevent someone deciding to end. Usually the person tells no-one as they are so deep in depression and pain. To someone suffering intense pain from depression, ending means stopping the pain which is so overwhelming. Pain from depression is worse than childbirth, as childbirth pain ceases when the child appears. Depression can be ongoing, the pain intensifies as no-one else feels it. Trying to explain it is akin to learning a foreign language. Ending the pain by suicide is the only solution the sufferer has, to them. Empathy for the person is good as it means you have an understanding. However, don't take the pain on yourself as it won't help you recover from your reaction to her death.

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Hi @utopia, you've made an important point regarding possible triggers. It can sometimes be something totally unexpected and seemingly minor. This is definitely something which I need to investigate, as it's an area of self-care which I was unaware is important for me.

AF

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Im glad that can be something that you can look into - as part of your self care @AlgebraicFury.
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