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actual torture occurring in Australia

actual torture occurring in Australia

s 274.2 of Commonwealth Criminal Code sets out the offence of torture, which can be summarised as:

  1. conduct inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering
  2. for the purpose of obtaining information, punishing, intimidating or coercing
  3. by or at the instigation of a public official

(the full definition is at the bottom of this post)

I have information that the police would like me to give them and that information is incriminating, so I have a bedrock legal right not to give it

I think it's fair to say that relentless bullying and psychological abuse along with gaslighting over many years ("you're not being mistreated, it's all in your head") would satisfy the "severe mental pain or suffering" part

if the reason is to coerce me to "come clean", or "not talk", or "move on" or anything else, then we have the second part

and if the conduct can be connected back to the police or any other public official, then we have a slam dunk

this is how torture occurs in this country

Criminal Code s.274.2:

(1) A person (the perpetrator) commits an offence if the perpetrator:

(a) engages in conduct that inflicts severe physical or mental pain or suffering on a person (the victim); and

(b) the conduct is engaged in:

(i) for the purpose of obtaining from the victim or from a third person information or a confession; or

(ii) for the purpose of punishing the victim for an act which the victim or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed; or

(iii) for the purpose of intimidating or coercing the victim or a third person; or

(iv) for a purpose related to a purpose mentioned in subparagraph (i), (ii) or (iii); and

(c) the perpetrator engages in the conduct:

(i) in the capacity of a public official; or

(ii) acting in an official capacity; or

(iii) acting at the instigation, or with the consent or acquiescence, of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.

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https://www.cvt.org/resources/facts-about-torture/

Torture is illegal.
Torture is a crime. It is explicitly banned by theUN Conventionagainst Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment. And it’s a crime under U.S. law. There are no exceptions.

Torture’s purpose is to:
· Break an individual’s will and render the person helpless.
· Destroy a sense of community.
· Stifle civil society.
· Create a climate of fear.
· Silence dissent.
Torture is used to break down people’s will, ultimately destroying trust and communities. When torture is used to create fear, people become afraid to speak up. CVT’s clients often tell us they were not tortured to gain information; they were tortured to punish, injure and silence them. Torture is about control.

Torture affects five basic human needs:
· The need to feel safe.
· The need to feel of value (self-worth).
· The need to feel some control over one’s life.
· The need to trust.
· The need to feel close to others.
The impacts of torture go beyond physical wounds and scars. Torture is used intentionally to impact how victims feel about themselves, about other people, and about their place in the world.

Torture is immoral.
There is no justification for torture. It is wrong because of its cruelty and abusiveness. And torture does not have to be physical; it can also be psychological. Both forms are calculated and systematic ways to dismantle a person’s identity and humanity.

Torture is psychological as well as physical.
People often think of the brutal physical impacts of torture, but the psychological impacts of torture can be devastating without rehabilitative care. Torture that does not leave a scar is still torture: humiliation, sleep deprivation, mock executions and other horrible acts create long-lasting damage and require healing.

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

it's called "no-touch torture" and it was most notably used by the Stasi in East Germany:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

and copied by the USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

the basic idea is to weaponise paranoia against a target victim, usually with the assistance of a psychiatrist who can diagnose "paranoid schizophrenia" or "delusional disorder", which then gives the police free license to do as they please without fear of repercussions because the target is now discredited as clinically paranoid

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

Hi @f0x, just been having a read through of what you've shared. Sounds like you've done your research, and I'm getting the sense you're dealing with some legal proceedings/dealing with police at the moment, which is never fun.

I just wanted to ask you if there's anything in particular you're looking for in joining the forums and sharing this info with us. Is there anything happening for you that you wanna get off your chest? I also wanted to let you know that whilst we can be here for you during this process, this is not a place to seek legal advice, so we can only really support you through the emotional experiences and not so much give advice or provide advocacy.

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Hello @f0x,

This was certainly a lot of very detailed and eye opening information, you have definitely sone your homework. I hear you, abuse, bullying and gaslighting from those in positions of power is wrong and torturous, I'm really sorry you're going through this.

As @Jynx said we can't offer legal advice or comment much about that side of it, but we can be an ear to listen and support you 🙏

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

@Jynx thank you

I'm not looking for legal advice because officially this is not happening

I've just described what is happening for me, here and in my previous post, which is what I wanted to "get off my chest"

as I alluded to in the other thread, one of things that has been happening is that people in mental health support spaces pretend to be supportive but are actually not

like making only very generic and trite statements of "support" but then pushing it all back onto me, which is the opposite of support, it's withholding

"I'm really sorry you're going through this"

gee thanks

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and now, because I've expressed frustration, I will be scolded for doing so

it's a recurring pattern, you see

withhold, frustrate, scold

and if I point it out I get gaslighted, and probably scolded again

it's emotional abuse everywhere I go: everything I do is wrong and I should feel bad for breathing

but I'm misinterpreting, I'm paranoid, it's all in my head!

rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

@f0x what would ideal support look like for you? Or to put it another way, which needs of yours are not being met by the supports in your life?

It can be hard to conceptualise, I know, when all we might have is examples of what we don't want. That's why, when I was figuring this stuff out for myself, it really helped to look at it from a needs perspective. Largely, the thing that was missing for me was the combo of both trust & safety, and unconditional positive regard (which basically just means they aren't judgemental or stigmatising, and are able to accept and acknowledge me wholly exactly as I am now).

Almost sounds like one of the things missing for you is genuinity and realness, that on the right track?

I am just about to log off for the evening, but I will be around again tomorrow night if you wanted to continue chatting. I can stop by and see if you're about.

Take care hun 💜

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

@Jynx

yes, genuineness is a major part of it

but I think the main thing is to have someone show a genuine concern by making an effort to engage in a genuine dialog, perhaps by asking questions about the situation instead of just saying "I'm sorry you're going through this, we're here to listen"

see, the whole scenario sounds crazy (by design) and I would expect genuine people at least to express some surprise and ask some clarifying questions

the problem that I face is that either I get summarily dismissed as paranoid, or I get completely unhelpful and empty expressions of "support" with no attempts to find a shared understanding

the whole point is to deprive me of real support to make me feel isolated and helpless

does anyone even believe that there is any truth to what I'm saying, or is everyone on the bandwagon in assuming that I'm experiencing a persecutory delusion?

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Hi @f0x

This situation sounds really overwhelming and isolating. How long have you been going through this?

Thank you for sharing the kind of support you're looking for right now.

I know you've said that you are isolated, but so I can better understand what that means for you, do you have anyone around you who you've been able to share this with? Or is it a case of having people around you but being unable to share?

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Re: actual torture occurring in Australia

hi @Ru-bee thank you for responding

the police search was in October 2021 and it's been more or less non-stop since then, but there have been indications that the situation actually goes back over many years

I have literally no one who I can talk to properly. I have a cousin who has been supportive recently but that outlet is limited as the background family situation is so tense and hostile

my "friends" have all but dried up, and there were clear indications that they were acting disingenuously so they weren't really friends anyway

I do have a psychologist but he hasn't been all that helpful, and that's obviously also limited for practical reasons

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