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'To' 'For' 'With' !!!

'To' 'For' 'With' !!!

This one deserves a new thread and I was wondering what other people's experiences are.

I know things have changed for the better with my support team but I woke up this morning having worked out what exactly has changed practically.

For the last year, people have been doing things TO me and sometimes FOR me but so rarely WITH me. Whatever their intentions towards me or in general doing things TO me is what has caused the most damage and the most sense of disempowerment. Whether it is leading conversations, invading privacy, or not giving me choice and agency in what I am exposed to and when. The most fear anger and frustration the most destruction of self has been from people doing things TO me. It is why I broke off my friendship with another person with mental health concerns because whatever her intention she was doing things TO me without giving me a choice or agency. Doing things TO someone without their consent and participation is always destructive to their sense of self.

At the moment I need help with cleaning and I need my cleaner to do some things FOR me but I don't like it. Doing things FOR someone is sometimes necessary but especially for mental health support workers, it can often create dependency which I hate. Doing things FOR someone also includes making choices about what we do or how we do things FOR us. I try to avoid FOR.

But this last week things have shifted. In general and specifically, people have been listening to me and what I need and at the moment I still need people to do things WITH but I'm working on it. Like getting out and about or sitting WITH me while I study for emotional support. Hopefully, these will ease off in the near future but WITH is so powerful. WITH enables choice and empowerment. WITH enables support without intrusion and WITH enables trust and working together. WITH in the past has gotten me to a stage where I don't even need WITH and can be truly independent and will do it again. But thank God for WITH.

What are others' thoughts?

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You summed it up nicely, @Gillie1.

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Honestly, I like them all! ... 😁

In all sobriety, though, I will admit: the idea of WITH as a mere "through way" to arrive only at myself again?.. Yikes!

Be like getting thrown off a building ...

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Hey @Gillie1,

So much of what you've said really resonates for me, particularly the impacts of things that are done to or for as opposed to with, and I feel like you've articulated these exceptionally well- with is so powerful! The whole doing with versus 'to' or 'for' something I've also struggled with at times, particularly the idea of ‘needing’ others or being dependent on them for certain things- I would much rather be able to do it all myself, and have even on occasion told people in my support team that their job is to do themselves out of a job! It has been a long road for me to realise that everyone needs a little help and support sometimes and that this is ok!

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In this context@Kyle1 doing WITH till having people doing things with gets in the way of you doing you, is the only way. Till they become annoying to have around and you are ready to decide to do things yourself.

Your timetable not theirs. And yes there are times when you have to step back into more support again. But your choice not theirs. And if with is forever and that is how things need to be that is OK.

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