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Let's talk about Grief & Loss

Let's talk about Grief & Loss

Creating a space here for us to share our Grief and Loss experiences. All kinds but mostly bereavement.
- Tell us about your loss?
- What 3 things you miss most?
- What would you like to tell friends to say, do or be - to lighten the load?
- What have you learned about loss that you didn't know before?
- Do you have any quotes, links, books, organisations etc, related to loss, that you'd like to pass onto others?
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WHAT IS GRIEF?
GRIEF: The normal process of reacting to a loss. Loss is subjective but usually the loss is: Physical Loss (such as a death), Social Loss (such as divorce), or Occupational Loss (such as a job or an established role & purpose). Emotions distress to Grief & Loss can include anger, guilt, anxiety, confusion, sadness, and despair.

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Hi @LonelyExistance

Look - it's really hard to look at all that has happened to you and put it all together - not that you might never do it - but closure is a fluffly word - I really don't think it means much and I am not at all sure it exist

But over time I have gone through the stories in my life and I find some of the events are so tangled I really can't put it all together - the years and events have blurred and I know what I remember is true - but I am not at all sure of the order of the events now - or the extent for that matter

Some of the things you have experienced are really horrific - and I guess it's a bit like having a huge jigsaw puzzle to put together - maybe two puzzles with all the bits mixed up - we don't just wake up in the morning and start work - and it is really hard work - we can only start picking at the bits - and time passes and it's amazing how the years pass and how it does sort out

Don't push it - take your time and stay with us - I have found this a fantastic site and Forum Family - life cannot always be easy but it will not always be this hard either

Decadian

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WHEN DOES A BROKEN HEART BECOME A MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER?

This statement was developed by a workgroup at the meeting of the International Work Group on Death, Dying and Bereavement in Victoria, British Columbia on April 28 – May 3, 2013. You have full permission to translate the document into other languages, and to distribute it via websites, blogs, the media, and other venues. It is our intention that the message be shared widely.

When does a broken heart become a mental disorder? Rarely, if ever.

But don’t tell that to the American Psychiatric Association, which has just released its fifth version of the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The DSM is a catalogue of mental disorders, hundreds of them, each trailing a listing of symptoms. The manual informs selection of a diagnosis, which is required by U.S. insurance companies for reimbursement for mental health care.

There’s a major change in the newest version, DSM-5 (2017), with serious implications for the millions of people who are coping with the death of a child, spouse, parent, friend, or other loved one.

But first, a quick glimpse at the history of this publication, often referred to as the bible of psychiatry.

The very first edition, published in 1952, didn’t even refer to grief, considering it an accepted and normal reaction to the death of a loved one. The third edition added an exclusion statement under Major Depressive Disorder, referred to as the “bereavement exclusion.” Under this exclusion, a diagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder could not be made for a full year after a death. They recognized that normal and common reactions to the death of a loved one could look like symptoms of depressive
disorder, for example, sadness, disturbed sleep, lack of concentration, changes in eating, and loss of interest in things that were once pleasurable.

In 1994 the 4th version of the DSM reduced the bereavement exclusion to two months after a death, and
this new version removes the bereavement exclusion completely, meaning in effect that anyone can
receive a diagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder two weeks after the death of a child, parent, spouse,
friend, or anyone.

Why does this matter?
For at least three reasons:
First, normal reactions to the death of a loved one will be easily misclassified as the mental disorder depression. Grief is not the same experience as major depressive disorder. It is not an illness to be treated or cured. It is a healthy response to a painful reality that one’s world is forever altered, and will never be the same. Absorbing this loss, and adapting to all the changes it unleashes, has its own unique course for every person, and will not be stilled or stopped by quick fixes or simple solutions. Death is a life-altering event, but grief is not a pathological condition.

Second, antidepressants are commonly and frequently prescribed. There is a strong likelihood that newly bereaved people will qualify for a diagnosis of Major Depressive Disorder just two weeks after a death even though their reactions are normal. Antidepressants have not been shown to be helpful with
grief-related depressive symptoms, and there is accumulating evidence of long-term negative effects of being on antidepressants. We need to ask why psychiatry is pathologizing grief and therefore making inappropriate pharmacological treatment easier. And we should not overlook the self-interest of pharmaceutical companies who see a new and substantial market for antidepressants, currently a multi-billion
dollar industry.

Third, about 80% of prescriptions for antidepressants are written by primary care physicians, not psychiatrists. We have the expectation that physicians, as well as psychologists, social workers, and clergy, to whom many of us turn for help after losses of all kinds, have professional training, solid.research backing, and supervised experience to guide them. Some do, but in fact, a considerable majority of practitioners with these degrees have no professional training at all in responding to the
bereaved.

The caution here? Be wary of physicians or other medical professionals who rush to prescribe antidepressants to address your grief.

Here’s a better prescription: Mourn the death of your loved one in your own way. There is no prescribed formula. You may cry; you may not. Your reactions will be shaped by many things: the relationship you had with the deceased, your personality style, and the support or lack of support you receive from others. Push aside those who tell you to move on, that every cloud has a silver lining. What one person finds comforting might not work for another. Find friends and family who understand, and with whom you can share your experience. If they won’t listen or help, or if their help is not enough, search for
support groups through your local hospital, hospice or community organizations. Don’t be afraid to seek
professional help, but if you do, ask about the person’s training, qualifications, and experience with
grief, loss, and bereavement.

We grieve as deeply as we love. We can get off track with love, and we can respond to our grief in ways that aren’t healthy, or don’t serve us well. But let’s not make love, or grief, a mental disorder.
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This document was written by a group of concerned professionals in response to the release of the
American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders ( DSM-5).
Thomas Attig, PhD, Professor Emeritus in Philosophy, Bowling Green State University
Inge B.Corless, RN, PhD, FAAN, Professor, MGH Institute of Health Professions, Boston, MA
Kathleen R. Gilbert, PhD, Executive Associate Dean, Indiana University School of Public Health, Bloomington, IN
Dale G.Larson, PhD, Professor, Department of Counseling Psychology, Santa Clara University, CA
Mal McKissock, OAM, Director of Clinical Services, Bereavement Care Centre, Sydney, Australia
David Roth, Executive Director, Puetz-Roth Funerals and Grief Companions, Bergisch Gladbach, Germany
Donna Schuurman, EdD, FT, Executive Director, The Dougy Center for Grieving Children & Families, Portland, OR
Phyllis R. Silverman, PhD, Scholar-in-Residence, Women’s Studies Research Center,
Brandeis University, Waltham, MA
J. William Worden, PhD, ABPP, Psychologist, Laguna Niguel, CA
We would like to acknowledge the International Work Group on Death, Dying and Bereavement (IWG)
for the opportunity to develop these ideas. This statement represents the opinions of the authors only.

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Hi @Decadian - bringing your beautiful words on Grief over to this thread. Hope that's ok

Decadian said:

Hi @Former-Member, Yes, our surviving children do struggle - perhaps they think they mean less to us because they are not the one who died - but that could not be further from the truth. The surviving children are worth so much more - we know the value of having children and how terrible it is when they die (and what a terrible price that is). But it's also hard to be a surviving child - I did not see this before but yes - it is
TRY HOLDING A HANDFUL OF SAND IN A TIGHTLY CLENCHED FIST - WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR HAND - NOT MUCH REMAINED.
BUT HOLD THE SAND IN A CUPPED HOPE PALM - AND THERE TOU ARE - WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE IT CAN STAY THERE.
But how do we learn this? Ah yes - with time, with trial and error and with keeping love in our heart

Hugs - Dec

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Decadian said:

Hi TAWNEY, i have had a long time to think about grief - esp the grief of losing a child, and sometimes I will be reading or whatever and I realise I have stopped reading for some time and I realised I have been thinking very intensely about something - about anything really - if I back track it will have something to do with human emotions - what a mind - I think I can feel my frontal cortex getting hot with all that thought

Anyway - after my son died I read everything I got my hands on from the Compassionate Friends I couldn't seem to read enough - and as the years have gone on I have read Pyschology at 4th Year - very interesting - a bit of Freud and a lot of Carl Jung and other psychs - it was in conjunction with my literature studies and useful - fantasticly so - and philosophy too - and what did I actually learn? More than was taught certainly and even more than I read

So the process of grieving for my son was the starting point - and my natural 'wanting to know everything' kept it all going and I am so glad it is something that is helpful for you today

Because my thought is that we all need to feel necessary in some way - and for me it is partly that my son's whole story was so catastrophic I could not bear to waste any of it so I write about it

It's good to know - to have the feedback - that my experience falls on fertile ground

Dec

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Thank you @Decadian, xox

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Thanks @Former-Member

Dec

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good article @Former-Member

PP

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Hello @LonelyExistance @Former-Member @Jensmum @Decadian @PeppiPatty

I know exactly what you mean.

The very same happened to me two months ago. I have blabbered and sobbed my heart out and written huge epics on here. I have responded to posts and have made absolutely no sense. I have written stuff and cant find it. I have come across stuff that i dont even remember writing.

I have been held, respected, listened to, appreciated, thanked as in no other place like this before by so many "guardian angels".

There are so many beautiful souls whom you have already met and many more yet to be discovered.

I am so relieved that you found this sanctuary as I know how you feel.

know also that you too are helping others. You are giving of yourself and in turn are helping others. Thank you for your input and support.

keep writing.

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hello @Decadian @mandy84 @Former-Member

just wanted to quickly say how moving your response was and noted tawney had felt the same.

That was a beautiful response for @mandy84 and for many others to read at a later time as i have done.

Thank you xx

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hello @Former-Member

i have only just noticed this one.

I think you now realise that i have been all over the place so forgive me for that and please bear with me.

When I was reading this post. I was thinking very differently from you. Of course I am on the outside reading your feelings that you have expressed.

I was wondering if perhaps you have just noticed the other gravestone of a young teenage girl.

perhaps there was a reason. perhaps your daughter was letting you know - it is alright mum, see i am not alone here, i have a young friend. you can visit us both.

how lovely that you cleaned her gravestone even if what i have said sounds like utter nonsense. it doesnt mean that you were putting anyone first or last. it just means what it was, you noticed and automatically cleaned as you have done for your daughter.

i hope in writing this i have not caused any further pain. i am so very deep and never intend to hurt anyone.

holding your hand tawney along with so many other beautiful souls on here.

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