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Love. Hard to break down walls

Love. Hard to break down walls

Hi everyone & @Former-Member @Former-Member @Decadian @BlueBay @Shaz51 @Faith-and-Hope. Please don't be offended if I've left your name out. My memory is bad at the best of times - & not so great at the moment.
I'm not sure if this is even an appropriate post for the SANE Forum. But tthought I'd give it a try.
Have been struggling with a multitude of issues at the moment. But the one I'm really stuck on at the moment, concerns love.
My psychologist brought up last week in session - that I've maybe opened up a 'portal' (stupid word) for love.
He states that with the work that I have been doing - relearning about myself - & with remembering my first love - that this could be an option for me to explore. Not necessarily about a particular individual - but if it might be time to think about if I could be vulnerable enough, & trusting enough, to let someone into my heart.
I've been single for around 10 years. No romance. No holding hands. No sharing of souls. No nothing.
So, when you have 'failed' (yes I know it's the wrong word) in relationships before - how can you allow yourself to be that vulnerable again?
I don't think this is an MI issue - as I am comfortable fully disclosing my MI & won't accept any stigma regarding that.
But how do you allow yourself to be that vulnerable again - while trying to protect your Mental Health?
I just don't know.

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Hi @utopia, There's so many different types of love, I'm guessing you are referring to a romantic love with physical intimacy. I have a lot of trouble with this one. Letting people close, and touch me - forget it! I don't see what benefit there is discussing this unless there's someone in mind you're attracted to. If we're well enough to have anything to offer comes to mind. For me EVERY intimate relationship is a potential trigger for MH decline (very sad) but , especially if becomes sexual, can't go there, so I prefer to consider myself 'asexual' However, i have never yet found a man who can lay beside me & not try to grope grr. So, I just can't be bothered. But i understand that you are probably much younger than me and so, more inclined to try. What was the question again? lol yes, well, oh yeah, I honestly don't know (how to trust and not have it affect our mental health). Everyone becomes vulnerable when in love, its a trust thing and everyone WILL let us down at some point... That's where I also come apart and push away rather than confront. But it takes two. My x thought he knew it all & I just had to 'be more reasonable' grr He closed tbw book on trying again for me. Obviously my judvement is inpaired as i couldn't see how poor in character he was. Its just not worth the risk - I'll be attracted to Mr Crap. Not much help to you sorry. But I hear you and will follow this thread to see because I'd love companionship. - good question Utopia, Hope you're OK. 🙂

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Yes I'm going okay @Former-Member.
I am talking about romantic love. Sex - I guess will follow. I don't have a problem with that - except the usual body insecurities. It's the heart love that I find hard.
I'm learning to love myself - which is a start. But I'm not going to break my own heart.
Companionship - without the physical side - sounds like a beautiful relationship for you.

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I read a quote the other day by RUMI that spoke to me of this very topic.
"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek & find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it".

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Hi @Guys. Need a bit of clarification myself. My son wrote to the guy I've had issues with this week over my daughter telling him I was drunk earlier this week. The guy told my son he 'loved' me. He has often told me he loves me for my strength, I left my hubby of 25 years, last year after enduring emotional abuse for most of the 25 years. There are other incidents where I've had to make choices about different things. including alcohol (I am an alcoholic, finally admitted it). My son asked this guy straight out if we were 'involved' after the guy told my son we had an 'online relationship'. While I know I love this guy, I'm unsure where he is with 'us'. I'm thinking he either doesn't want to 'commit', or he doesn't feel the same way. He told my son, our relationship is purely platonic (which it is). If only I could 'see' into the future, to 'see' whether he does love me or if it is just strong friendship. I might add here, we did have one night together. He did not seem to regret our night, neither did I. Nothing has ever been said about it, he hasn't ceased communication. I have asked for clarification, but never been answered. Maybe he's shy and doesn't wish to say.

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Hi everyone 😊

@utopia ..... thanks for including me .....

I'm not sure I have too much to contribute that's constructive, but I would like to tag along with the conversation.

My situation, which all of you know, has involved my guy losing his way and becoming someone else to a large degree .... very weird to experience but I'm guessing there are other mi's that can cause this to happen ..... so my challenge has been how to remain emotionally engaged with someone who has become emotionally absent, and altered their existence to the point where you struggle to work out where you fit in ..... at least we have parenting to keep us working together for a joint outcome .... which is what it is like to be ex's but co-parent amicably enough .....

Coming from a church background, and there will be others who relate to this, we grew up with the outlook that you keep sex off the table until everything else about the relationship is intimate and in good working order ..... which means the focus is on taking it slow, and exploring each other's intellect and value system, enjoying platonic experiences together, and just engaging in companionship first and foremost .... sex comes after every other commitment has been made - marriage, combining assets and finances, children if they are already present from a former partner, etc

This way is very supportive of taking it gently in terms of mental and emotional health, taking the time to draw closer across many months or even years, and ironing out all the speed bumps along the way.

In order to find this sort of approach in a potential partner, y'sorta have ta go where it's more commonly found ..... meaning you would have to socialise around community groups - churches probably foremost - or cultural groups which hold the same value systems in place, and even then it's usually based in a religious code of some sort.

Another area where you are likely to find companionship way ahead of sexual involvement is within community groups where there is physical injury or disability, or past emotional trauma where, like yourself, people take a break from engaging in intimate relationships and are slow or reluctant to take them back on.

I hope this helps ..... and is not too much of a ramble.

🌷💜

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Thank you @pip for your story on this topic. And a huge congratulations for admitting to being an alcoholic. Not easy to do. But a big step towards healing.
@Faith-and-Hope. I am not religious, but agree with you that sex is the last issue with regards to forming a new relationship.
It's taking the leap of faith to be vulnerable enough to even get to know someone on an intellectually intimate basis.
What if like @pip - where one feels more than the other. Me being the one who feels more. Could I handle the rejection? I just don't know.

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My dearly beloved and I spent 30 years together tnen the world blew up and we spent 12 years apart. He returned to me 3 years ago last month. He wanted us to be back together full-time but I suggested that it would be better to have a part-time relationship. 22 years is a long time to be apart with no contact whatsoever. So our relationship is part-time and it actually works out well for both of us.

A part-time set up allows you to have periods together and at other times living apart together. We talk every night when we are living separately.

This system has made me feel less vulnerable. I know that I can and do live independently. When we are together ee also know that we can and do live together very happily. There may come a time when we choose to live together all the time. This will happen at the right time and in the right place if in fact we do reach that stage.

For now this has proven to be a very happy and successful solution for us.

Thinking of you 💕 🎶 💕

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Yes @pip ...... your courage is awesome ..... still don't know what to say other than wow ! ....

@utopia ...... this way of relationship "layers" is not exclusive to religious groups, and even then, we have clearly seen what happens when religious organisations go terribly wrong ...... it's more that the model is very good in it's theoretical form and when it is practiced well ..... but this requires agreement and commitment towards achieving it ....

The base line is platonic interaction, and this is best found in an activity based community group ..... maybe something like ten-pin bowling, indoor rock climbing, roller skating, art classes at a community centre, charity volunteer services, cooking classes, etc ..... just getting out and about socialising generally, and enjoying yourself
In the process.

Of course you can grab a girlfriend and go to a bar, but this is much less likely to result in the sort of outcome you're looking for ....

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Hi @Kurra. I would be happy with your set-up, if 'we' were both on the same page. I know I don't want to live with anyone, neither does my bf. If we could have a set-up where we spent time together, as well as having our independence, just knowing we are 'a couple' would satisfy me. We have known each other for a few years now. I have told him I love him, he said similar. I also told him I do not wish to live with him as I'm more than happy with 'me'. I would be happy spending occasional nights with him, but I would still need my independence. I have discovered I'm not comfortable in a full-time 'living together' relationship. If I wish to have a late night, knowing I can, is something I never had before. I sometimes get the feeling he wants more, but doesn't know how to say exactly what he does want. He has told some members of his family about me, including his twin. He has sent me numerous photos of his family, he sent me a video clip of his two g'daughter's singing 'happy birthday'. If he wasn't interested in establishing any sort of relationship, would he do that? He seems to want to share his family. He is quite happy to talk to my kids via internet. I have never been so confused or tied up in knots over a guy. One step forward, two back. I thought women were complicated, this guy of mine wrote the book on complicated.

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Thank you @Kurra for your reply. Your relationship sounds wonderful & exactly what is perfect for you both.
Question: after 22 years apart - what gave you the courage to let him back into your heart? How did you know you could trust him again?
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