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Is therapy really what it is

Is therapy really what it is

After a string of bad experiences with psychologists it's got me thinking about the dynamics of it. Let's first talk about the income they charge $220 an hour they see about 7 people a day that's $1,540 a day. Let's be real do they care they say they're 50-minute sessions but in reality well for me anyway they would turn up 5 minutes late and at the 45 minute bark they will talk about how they are wrapping up you do that maths on bad that's 40 minutes for $220. Now these people are doing telehealth they're making $220 for 40 minutes from their bedrooms yes they study for 4 years but so do the tradespeople there is no difference. If you see a mechanic they will charge you $200 to service your car it will take a complete our and they are using parts out of that $50 would be parts. I've been speaking to older psychologists they say sometimes when you're talking and their writing they're not writing about you they're writing about the other people to save time. It is definitely not a virtuous industry that is a massive amount of money to talk to someone for 40 to 45 minutes. It is not uncommon nowadays for a basic psychologist who does the maths right with their ABN numbers to be pulling in $4,000 a week after tax working from their bedrooms in their pyjamas does that sound like a virtuous industry where they truly care. You could be seeing someone for a year if you can't afford one payment they won't see you anymore does that sound virtuous. Nowadays there are no bills there are no overheads people are working from home on their mobile phones. People say you need to find a psychologist you click with wow that's great isn't it you see 10 people who have wasted your time there's $2,220 gone that's a great investment. You know what I honestly believe psychologists want to see people they know they have power over what I mean by that is they want to see people who they know will be enthralled by them in other words you listen to whatever they say with a big small on your face because they're making you happy. Does that sound like psychology or control. When I speak to the seasoned veterans the older men and the women who have been in the industry for 40 years what they tell me is very disappointing. Remember this your psychologist wants that new car she wants to house on the beach could that possibly be their primary focus.

Although I will have to add basic therapists are not like this that is a lot more of a regulated industry these people I believe honestly do care especially the people from the sane website they don't charge you a cent, just venting but that is my honest opinion what do you think do you have a different look on it and if so how do you explain the massive profit margins they make for talking to people over the phone.

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Hi @Mrsomebody ,

It's great you've managed to speak to the SANE helplines and have found them helpful.

I'm sorry to hear of your experiences out there with professionals. I'm sure others can relate.

On the other hand, I've also had my fair share of amazing professionals. I can't say they were out for my money, because i've never had to fork out. It was all subsidised. I'm only here today because of the care, compassion and work of my treating team.

So your experiences may be for a handful of professionals, yet there are also those out there who genuinely do their job because they want to. You just need to persist in finding them.

If something doesn't work, keep looking. Hence, you have found the SANE helplines! Good on you. Thank you for the feedback that you found them most helpful 🙂

Take Care,

tyme

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Thanks for that , I’m just glad I’m alive and I have a fantastic dog. After my sister took me to court my psychiatrist said to me, “ you should feel vindicated “ . I’m not sure anyone could understand how soul destroying that statement was. Life goes on.

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Thanks for your reply I really appreciate it I actually expected to get plastered and blocked from the group I just wanted to share what I honestly believed. A huge amount of psychologists are working for themselves now a days just taking phone calls not even a video call literally a phone call are they honestly trying to tell us that $130 bulk billed for 45 minutes in 5 minutes worth of notes at the most is not worth it for them. A 45-minute phone call I would do that for $130 lol. Actually $220 is a lower estimate most places nowadays a charging to $260 on what planet is a conversation with someone with $260 am I the only one who can see this 🙂

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Well said I'm actually going to take that advice on board. I'm like you I just can't do the mental health system any more feels like you're just going round in circles you better off just chatting with normal people

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@Mrsomebody , I absolutely hear and respect your thoughts and experiences. If anything, others reading on the forums would benefit in that they know they are not alone if they feel the same way as you. You would not be blocked or barred from respectfully sharing your experiences. These are invaluable to the community!

That's why, I think it's also important to balance out these views in saying I have never had a psychologist call or conduct a Telehealth conference from their home. It's always been from the office. And that's after YEARSSSSS of therapy!

So bottom line, it's important to keep searching until you find something that works for you. It IS out there. Just keep looking!

If anyone is interested, here is the link to some of SANE's services beyond the forums which @Mrsomebody was writing about:

- SANE's Peer Support

- SANE's Counselling Services

Take Care,

tyme

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There's a lot of really relatable stuff in this thread, but I have to say that I found @Mrsomebody and @perspective 's comments most relatable. Especially @perspective 's observations that the system really needs to be doing a lot more to help fix the broken lives of the suffering, e.g. with arranging proper employment.

I've been expressing the need for "real life help" for years. I am cautiously optimistic that that at least some people in power may have been listening.

If memory serves, I believe one of the big reccommendations of the Victorian Royal Inquiry was that the Vic government ought to found some center in Melbourne with a name like "The Mental Wellness Center" (or something like that), which would be all about finding real remedies to peoples' real-life woes. No more simply being medicated and being browbeaten into "coping" with your inhumane suffering. Actual cures. Families for the lonely; jobs for the miserably unemployed (or inappropriately employed); banishing of the bullies. Just imagine it. 🙂

And with regards to @Mrsomebody 's remarks about the 'money-grubbing' side of therapy, I have no doubt that it is far more rife then the powers-that-be want us to know. I've heard people defend them frequently in this regard, stating: "If someone was obsessed with money, there are far more lucrative professions they could go for." But, IMHO, that is very flimsy logic, tailored with an agenda to paint therapists in a more favorable light.

As @Mrsomebody points out, it is easy money at very attractive hourly rates (yes, even when you factor in all the business costs, ect.); but perhaps most attractive of all is the security of that income stream, knowing that you have no real expectations for success imposed upon you.

Lawyers make a lot of money, sure. But how many of them would still be in business if 90% of their clients lost their cases? By contrast, therapists can fail as many patients as they want, and those patients have no entitlement to any refunds, and those failures are unlikely to have any negative repercussions on their business, as there's a widespread expectation that therapists may not "click" with their clients.

Imagine a law system where your freedom was entirely dependant on whether or not you and your lawyer "clicked". If the circumstances of your case were totally irrelevant?

Excellant wages. Zero expectations of success. Therapy is basically a license to print money. Even if there are a handful of decent souls scattered throughout the industry. Or maybe more. Or maybe less. We have no way of knowing, since there's never been any sort of formal survey to determine the proportion of good therapists in the industry (i.e. those who deliver satisfying outcomes to a significant portion of their patients) to bad ones.

For my part, I personally suspect that my own therapist was a scam artist. In part, because she was so obsessed with money, she would always be injecting it into our conversations. But also because she was always adjusting her fees to entirely consume the government discount on therapy sessions, which I believe someone previously mentioned in this thread?

During my stint in therapy, the government increased the size of the discount several times. The theory being that, the cheaper the cost of therapy, the more available it would be to Australians who are desparately in need of help, but can't afford it.

So therapy was supposed to be getting cheaper and cheaper for me, thanks to the government. Except it wasn't. Cause every time the discount went up, my therapist's fees would go up by the same amount. The out-of-pocket expense for my family never dropped.

And that's not to mention the fact that she kept me in therapy for years, despite knowing the whole time that she was never going to help me. I guess I was just too good a cash stream.

Actually there was more to it then that; she got off on manipulating me, tried very very hard to brainwash me into being her puppet.

But that's an old story I don't feel like reiterating again right now.

("Thank God!" cry the forum veterans who have already heard it a hundred times. 😉)

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I can relate to this, not for myself but for my son who first started seeing what turned into a cavalcade of psychiatrists and psychologists at the age of 17. He is now 30 and I can honestly say that absolutely none of them seem to have made any difference or offered him any sort of practical help. I am totally disillusioned with the entire profession.

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Oh my God you said it's so well thank you so much. When you said they can fail as much as they want and just say we didn't gel or click that is what I'm talking about they don't even have to make an effort it's just a licence to print money full stop although other people will just yell at you no you gotta find someone you click with. You know what classes me as not clicking with someone. Asking questions when I asked the question or wanted to do something I was removed straight away because I didn't want to follow their plan. A plan which had nothing to do with what I wanted. And yes they have completely raised their prices to match the government subsidy how is that morally right they use to charge before the government subsidy a little over $100 then the government kicked in and they doubled their prices how can anyone justify this course of action it's so wrong ans ilegal and selfish, I'm not joking one of the first psychologist I seen the 26 year old who told me I was fat on my first session on the third session as soon as I walked in the door she said I'm sending you to a psychiatrist that'll be $220 thanks and I had to pay what else could I do. Because we didn't click she could have told me that the last session but instead she chose for me to walk in the door and told me straight away I'm sending you to a psychiatrist and took my money. How could I not pay she would say I gave him the service we just didn't click. Actually I might start an electrical business like that I might walk in the door for a job and then say sorry we don't click that will be $220 please then walk out😄 thanks for your opinion it was a breath of fresh air

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Sometimes venting the truth can validate others. I sense disapproval in your comment. I am not judging you at all as everyone is entitled to an opinion but I wonder is there anything in my statement that you disagree with.

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@Mrsomebody wrote:

You know what classes me as not clicking with someone. Asking questions when I asked the question or wanted to do something I was removed straight away because I didn't want to follow their plan. A plan which had nothing to do with what I wanted.


Ah yes, the "Stop being difficult and just do what your told" treatment. I am all too familiar with that one, I'm afraid.

And being railroaded onto a plan that had nothing to do with my actual problems? That was a huge part of my (mis)treatment. Turned out I wasn't in therapy to get remedies for my problems; I was in there to get remedies for problems that she decided to identify in me. At least, that was my therapist's perspective. 😠


@Mrsomebody wrote:

thanks for your opinion it was a breath of fresh air


Your most welcome! 😊

Just so you know, perspectives like ours aren't as unique as you may think. I encounter them all the time online these days.

There are a lot of us out there. You and I are not alone. 🙂

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