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Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Hi SANE Community,

If you or someone you care about uses the Victorian Mental Health System for support, we have a special Topic Tuesday for you.

You might have heard the Victorian Government recently committed $3.8 billion to implement all recommendations of the Royal Commission into the Victorian Mental Health System, to rebuild the system from the ground up.

What will these changes look like for the mental health system and the people who use it?

To help us understand the future mental health system envisioned by the Royal Commission, we’re joined by special guest Graham Panther - a mental health advocate who was a witness before the Royal Commission. He is also the co-founder of the Big Feels Club - creating spaces for people with ‘big, scary feelings’ to hear from others with similar experiences.

What is the Victorian Royal Commission into Victoria’s Mental Health System?

The Royal Commission into Victoria’s Mental Health System was an intensive two-year inquiry, producing a final report that stretches over five volumes and 3000 pages. Its recommendations provide a blueprint to completely rebuild the mental health system.

The Royal Commission called for lived experience to be embedded at every level of the future system.

This Topic Tuesday will be an opportunity to learn more, ask questions and find out how to get involved in mental health advocacy yourself.

To learn more about Graham, please feel free to check out the Big Feels Club and the amazing work he is doing in the lived experience leadership space in Australia!

Please join us here on Tuesday 17 August 2021 from 7:00pm-8:30pm AEST to follow this conversation.

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This topic is a big one for anyone invested in the future of the Victorian Mental Health System. While each of us have different experiences of the system – from positive to extremely challenging - we want to make sure that this space is an open and respectful space to hold all of our experiences. Before joining this discussion, we would encourage you to familiarise yourself with the community guidelines so we can make this space as supportive as possible.

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Hi @Kermit, great question- support for the peer workforce is essential 🙂 @BigFeelsClub will talk more about this in one of the questions we pre-prepared, so keep an eye out for that response

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

i don't know of you have to be crazy to want to be a peer worker, but it seems to be a pre requisite

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

@Mex every person will have different experiences of mental health concerns and distress and that's what makes the workforce powerful.

Peer work roles in the mental health sector do have a requirement of identifying with an experience of mental health concerns or caring for a family member with mental health concerns (carer peer worker). Those experiences are core to the work that peers do 🙂

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST


@Former-Member wrote:
Thanks @chibam, the Royal Commission certainly described a system that will take a broader view of mental health and wellbeing to encompass the social determinants of mental health, beyond just diagnosis. I don't have a blanket answer to your question - but to give you a sense of the broadened access recommended by the Commission, here's an extract from the chapter on responding to trauma (see p. 380 Volume 2):

Consumers will be supported by specialist trauma practitioners through the development of a referral policy which will endeavour to support all consumers impacted by trauma, regardless of:

•age and personal background

•mental health diagnosis (meaning that people experiencing subsyndromal conditions will be eligible for statewide trauma services)

•chronic, worsening or episodic mental health

•the type or source of trauma experienced

•whether or not the trauma was recent

•whether or not the trauma occurred in Victoria (for example, Victorians who were exposed to trauma overseas, or refugees and asylum seekers who have settled in Victoria and have pre-arrival exposure to trauma will be eligible for statewide trauma services

I'll keep digging and see if I can find anything further


Thanks for all this effort, @Former-Member !

As you note, this is all about responding to trauma, which of course is important. It leaves me wondering though about people who may not have had any trauma, yet still need the services.

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Good evening all

The Hams checking in

I have had a rare day today. Not up for much plus I don't much about what happened in Victoria with this Commission. But it sounds relevant and good.

I only have a few points I want to get off my chest about these things which I hope are relevant in regards to service providers.

1) I have had some pretty woeful experiences with service providers and specialists. Sometimes they have belittled my experiences, others have dismissed topics I have wanted to speak about outrightly. I think this experience may turn other off seeking help altogether
2) suicide is a leading cause of death for youth in Australia. I think there needs to be more research into this as both a psychological experience from the perspective of an individual but also a societal level - why are young people suiciding? But actually I think it's an issue effecting any age bracket so perhaps its not just age related.
3) online forums like sane have been a fantastic resource for people like me and I think it's probably one of the best forms of therapy for people. The same is true for group therapy in person, however i have found group therapy in person can be a bit pedestrian and parental.
4) Looks matter far more than they should in today's world and mental health treatment providers need to grasp this concept. Just because someone looks like they have it together or can talk the talk DOESN'T mean they do. But I believe this may be the fault of the medical model. In my previous role I viewed a coronial inquest into a suicide. Something that stuck out was that sometimes people can really be in desperate need of help and they are turned away because they've almost perfected putting on a brave face.

I'll be around to read and follow

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

While we're on the topic of lived experience leadership, a shout out to one of the long-time luminaries of the consumer movement in NZ (we're I'm from originally). Mary O'Hagan.

Mary was New Zealand’s first ‘openly mad’ Mental Health Commissioner (her words!). You can watch a very cool 3-minute documentary about her that I helped make here. Watch it if only for her iconic kiwi accent?? She spent much of her 20s in and out of psych wards, and went on to be a major leader in NZ's system, and advise the UN on mental health.

As Commissioner, Mary's work was a big part of how we got peer support on the map as a professional discipline in NZ, which in turn is the only reason I even started working in mental health in the first place (and is such a big part of my own way of making meaning out of the hardest stuff I've experienced). And her whole presence, and her story, was such an inspiration when I was a young person finding my way in this intensely personal work.

Mary's just one example, who had a big impact on me. Just like NZ, we have some amazing consumer leaders here in Vic and around Australia, who've been working tirelessly over decades. To the extent that we're getting anywhere with this Commission and what comes next, we're standing on their shoulders.

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

"Imagine if when you’re in a real bad spot, hospital wasn’t your only option. If instead you could check yourself into a residential service that’s homely, inviting, and most importantly that’s run by people who’ve been through their own similar crises." - @BigFeelsClub

I am very keen to see an alternative to hospitalisation here in NSW. I have never been hospitalised, but I have been close and I recall feeling extremely fearful of visiting an emergency department in my more difficult days. I had friends I could rely on instead at the time, but I knew that was an unfair responsibility placed on them and they often couldn't understand what I was going through. I would have greatly appreciated having the option to seek out a welcoming space to speak to another person who has similar experiences. I know that I personally needed empathy and reassurance more than I needed a 24hour watch and busy nurse in those moments.

I look forward to having more peer-run agencies, I think they're so important!

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Hopefully the system will change so we don't have iatrogenic trauma anymore, hopefully these experiences will dissapear?

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST

Q4: The Royal Commission recommendations prioritises peer support at all levels. What does “peer support everywhere” look and feel like?

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Re: Topic Tuesday // Let’s talk about systemic change: The Victorian Royal Commission // Tues 17th August, 7:00-8.30PM AEST


Obviously, @BigFeelsClub @Former-Member , I'm not asking you to be psychic, but just general impressions: What impact do you expect this inquiry will have in the states outside of Vic?


Excellent question, thanks @chibam - from what I'm hearing, other states and territories are watching Victoria's reforms closely. At the national level, there was lots of alignment between the Royal Commission report and the Productivity Commission report - so I'd say there's definitely potential that the Victorian reforms lay the groundwork for other jurisdictions domestically... and maybe internationally!

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