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What Do *YOU* Want SANE To Tell The Government At Their Sit-Down With Them?

What Do *YOU* Want SANE To Tell The Government At Their Sit-Down With Them?

I've just discovered that people from SANE will be having a sit down with the government on Mon 26/07/2021(https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=30066&submissions=false), as part of the government's latest inquiry into mental health and suicide prevention. So I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread where we, the members of the SANEForums community, can express what mental health and suicide issues we'd like to see SANE address with the government.

I'll get the ball rolling:

For my part, I would like SANE to tell the government:

* We need a massive increase in the amount of therapists who provide practical help for people with real-life issues that need to be resolved, not just therapists who sit in a room with a patient and browbeat them into "coping" with their living hells, or telling them that they've got to solve their problems all by themselves. (If they knew how & had the capability to solve their problems alone, they wouldn't be paying some therpaist $150/hr. to "help" them, would they?)

* Their interest in suicide prevention MUST acknowledge fates that are worse then death, and that suicide is not the worst outcome that can befall a person. This awareness must be applied to all initiatives that are geared towards helping people - patients must be able to state to their helpers what situations they considder to be a fate worse then death, and the helpers must treat such scenarios as being "out of bounds" areas that they must never navigate their patient in to. Some things are just not okay. They are even less okay then death.

* The government needs to do much, much more then simply throw money at people(i.e. jobkeeper) in order to give them a worthwhile quality of life. I know that a lot of people stress out about making ends meet. But for many, many others - such as myself - having the financial security that allows us to survive is utterly worthless so long as we have no reason to survive! Even the starving among us need initiatives to give us love, companionship, fun, happiness and a contributing role in society much more then we need food on our dinner tables or roofs over our heads.

* This currant government inquiry has a woeful lack of patient/'mentally-ill'/suicidal contribution. Everybody has been saying recently that patients & 'mentally ill', ect. people need to be at the center of all future design and management of the mental health system. But when you look through the documentation on this inquiry there is virtually zero presence in there from the actual patient/'mentally ill'/suicidal community. It's mostly input from large organizations, so-called "experts", and so, so much input from therapists. And this lack of perspective shows in the way that a lot of the issues are being discussed! IMHO, there's an abundance of people "just not getting it" in the way issues have been discussed thus far. The inquiry needs to make stronger efforts to gather direct input from patients of the system, and other "mentally ill" and suicidal people, as well. Our perspective is essential for effective outcomes to inquiries like this one!

That's my 2 cents. What do you want SANE to tell the government?

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Having a voice (openly) here as part of the forum in contributing to any advocacy would be great @Daisydreamer

@chibam Keep you eye on Forum News and Feedback for anything you can contribute to - and I will endeavour to bring anything I also see here to the Lived Experience Forum.

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@Daisydreamer I appreciate I have not been shut down by SANE forum, and do not always post comfortable posts.

As @Zoe7 said. I also am available, with my full independent voice.

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We are friends, @Appleblossom I just don't know what to say anymore. What on earth is life about if the only people who get ahead are the ones who walk all over others?

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Thought so @Historylover

Hugs and walking hand in hand ...

Hearing you.

I really hope another opportunity occurs for you that puts the recent abusive one in the background. I had a similar thing that last month that was a mix of irl and online. As I had an email trace, I was able to show people and get timely support for the abusive email, but still it takes time to gather our wits and dust ourselves off. You should not need to settle ... about those issues.

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I am safe for another sleepless night, @Zoe7 and no, I do not have support in the real world. Zero. But I always have my fellow forumites. Talking to some online call centres too often makes me feel like I am holding them up. I only come here for my heartfelt virtual hugs and, to date, have always stayed until I feel better, if not necessarily good. I now feel considerably better. Thank you all.

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Never hesitate to come here @Historylover - you can tag me anytime - I may not always be around but when I am I will happily give you some virtual hugs. I used to use CHAT at SANE - never actually spoke directly to anyone - I find it hard to find the words - but I was never made feel like I was holding them up and I know the counsellors at SANE are fabulous ...keep them in mind especially if you only use the CHAT function.

Going to check in with you tomorrow - hope that is okay

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I am going to be alright for another night @Zoe7, and tomorrow is another day. I am not hopeful for the future - but that's not for tomorrow. Tomorrow I will find something to do even if the rain restricts me. Best wishes.

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Sometimes @Historylover there is no point even thinking about the future - we just need to get through the day we are in and hope for better tomorrow.

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@Daisydreamer wrote:

Hi @chibam

Thank you for raising these important issues that are contributing to the stigma and current issues within the mental health system at the moment. There are lots of really important points here and we share the passion for change to ensure that those living with mental health concerns can access safe and recovery oriented mental health services that put lived experience at the core of what they do.

One of SANE's core pillars is advocacy, aimed at amplifying the voices of those living with mental health concerns and their friends, families and carers. We advocate in lots of different spaces at all levels of the mental health system to make sure that the voices of lived experience and the needs of our community are represented as widely as possible.

Through consultations and our work with our Peer Ambassadors, we are always keeping our ear to the ground to make sure that we are hearing the needs of the communities we support. That's where hearing from you is really important, and I will make sure to share your post with our team, and we will share any consultations or opportunities to get involved in SANE's advocacy here on the forums 🙂

Openness and transparency are really important to us, and so it's important that I pass on that in this instance there is an agenda set for the meeting that is predetermined. We will be representing and ensuring the voice of lived experience is embedded in all we do, but I'm mindful this meeting may not speak to every concern raised here today.

That being said, we advocate in every part of what we do and we are always looking to hear your thoughts and experiences so we can be better advocates. You are more than welcome to also send any things you would like us to know about to the forums email address (team@saneforums.org) 🙂


Thanks for letting us know, @Daisydreamer . It's a pitty we got in too late to play a role in the conferance with this thread. But I've noticed that the things that have come out in this thread have been nothing new: their all issues that I've seen raised time and time again on here (or on other MH/Suicide sites I frequent). So if you SANE Leaders have been listening to the voices on these forums as you say, hopefully a lot of what we've suggested will already have been slotted into your agenda for this conferance.

I can never tell whether or not the powers that be actually see any relevance in the commentary of lone lived experiance individuals. Their always very polite with their lip service, of course - e.g. "We want to thank the lived experiance individuals who contributed to this inquiry. Their input is very important to us...", ect. ,ect. But I can never tell whether that is just deceptive political tact, or if our grievances and perspectives are actually factored into policy.

Are we just some regrettably obligatory sideshow to the key-note fancy speeches of the great professors and experts, who rattle on so eloquently about funding shortages and primary health networks? Or do we actually matter to these leaders who hold our fates in their hands? My inner cynic is constantly at war with my inner optimist trying to figure out the answer to that question. The cynic usually has the upper hand.

That's why it really matters to me to hear a force like SANE echoing the priorities and perspectives of myself, and all my fellow forumers like @Former-Member , @Historylover , @Zoe7 , @Bunniekins & @Appleblossom (I hope I haven't forgotten anyone ), and all the others on this site. Because, while it may be very easy for the government to pretend it didn't hear what @chibam the crazy little loudmouth had to say, it can't so easily ignore the voice of SANE, the big, famous mental health organization.

So what you guys have to say really, really matters, because your moment to send a message, in the limelight of respect and significance, is an opportunity that the rest of us will never, ever get.

As @Appleblossom said, please pass on our regards and well-wishes to whoever will be attending the conferance.

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@Historylover I wanted to get back to you with a separate post.

I really don't know what to say. I have no answers. I can only offer my hopes that your future is much, much, much brighter then it looks to be at the moment.

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