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What Do *YOU* Want SANE To Tell The Government At Their Sit-Down With Them?

What Do *YOU* Want SANE To Tell The Government At Their Sit-Down With Them?

I've just discovered that people from SANE will be having a sit down with the government on Mon 26/07/2021(https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=30066&submissions=false), as part of the government's latest inquiry into mental health and suicide prevention. So I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread where we, the members of the SANEForums community, can express what mental health and suicide issues we'd like to see SANE address with the government.

I'll get the ball rolling:

For my part, I would like SANE to tell the government:

* We need a massive increase in the amount of therapists who provide practical help for people with real-life issues that need to be resolved, not just therapists who sit in a room with a patient and browbeat them into "coping" with their living hells, or telling them that they've got to solve their problems all by themselves. (If they knew how & had the capability to solve their problems alone, they wouldn't be paying some therpaist $150/hr. to "help" them, would they?)

* Their interest in suicide prevention MUST acknowledge fates that are worse then death, and that suicide is not the worst outcome that can befall a person. This awareness must be applied to all initiatives that are geared towards helping people - patients must be able to state to their helpers what situations they considder to be a fate worse then death, and the helpers must treat such scenarios as being "out of bounds" areas that they must never navigate their patient in to. Some things are just not okay. They are even less okay then death.

* The government needs to do much, much more then simply throw money at people(i.e. jobkeeper) in order to give them a worthwhile quality of life. I know that a lot of people stress out about making ends meet. But for many, many others - such as myself - having the financial security that allows us to survive is utterly worthless so long as we have no reason to survive! Even the starving among us need initiatives to give us love, companionship, fun, happiness and a contributing role in society much more then we need food on our dinner tables or roofs over our heads.

* This currant government inquiry has a woeful lack of patient/'mentally-ill'/suicidal contribution. Everybody has been saying recently that patients & 'mentally ill', ect. people need to be at the center of all future design and management of the mental health system. But when you look through the documentation on this inquiry there is virtually zero presence in there from the actual patient/'mentally ill'/suicidal community. It's mostly input from large organizations, so-called "experts", and so, so much input from therapists. And this lack of perspective shows in the way that a lot of the issues are being discussed! IMHO, there's an abundance of people "just not getting it" in the way issues have been discussed thus far. The inquiry needs to make stronger efforts to gather direct input from patients of the system, and other "mentally ill" and suicidal people, as well. Our perspective is essential for effective outcomes to inquiries like this one!

That's my 2 cents. What do you want SANE to tell the government?

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Just a member like you @chibam but will raise this with our Community Managers @Daisydreamer and @Former-Member 👍

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@Zoe7 wrote:

Just a member like you @chibam but will raise this with our Community Managers @Daisydreamer and @Former-Member 👍


Thanks, @Zoe7 !

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You are welcome @chibam You can also email the team yourself team@saneforums.org

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Yep @Historylover

Same here, but my son also did not want to waste the tax payers budget and needed to come into his wisdom more, so until that happened I personally became very needy of MH services in last 5 years. (edited typo) Son seems to be coming iinto his wisdom now, most kids these days take longer to grow up I guess ... such a complex world.

So I was left to grovel and be treated as a fool by various services, to keep me alive while he was struggling and not claiming his legit due. Yes 3 separate abuses since April 2020. Lucky I could get up after each one. Now I am better armed..... hmmmmm! Actually 2 more but they were identified and given the sack. Still that is 5 cases of stigma in one year ... at the moment I am happy with "my team", maybe one day I will not need them anymore . .. here is hoping.

I have paper copies of various reports of 3 relevant enquiries etc etc ... on my handy bookshelf. I have submitted to various enquiries, state & fed over the years. We dont like the enquiries being a mockery, along with the health budget, either. Its a mistake to think that all suffering from Mental health issues are lacking in morals.

Dear @Zoe7 I was very used to towing the line ... for whatever authority was relevant ... eg my mother, welfare, school, this boss, that boss, taxman ... do the right thing for kids... my own and others ... etc etc .... sometimes it is good to maintain independence ... it might even be a good life purpose for me. Give me a reason to take recent 'hiccups' with health services on the chin ... all for a cause.... Hope you are well. Always love seeing you about.

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@Zoe7 , I have no family and no friends.

I had a dysfunctional family for whom I laid everything on the line in the belief that, shown a better way of doing things, shown that honour does pay, that ultimately they would change their ways. They didn't, and I have lost almost everything. All I have left is an inheritance for my daughters. I continue to save for them yet haven't seen them for 36 years. I do not have a home or a car. I live frugally. I am thoroughly broken.

Am I alright? No, I am not. This site and the caring souls on it are the only people who have sustained my life since my last overwhelming trauma eighteen months ago. I limp on daily - but I have no future. Without family and friends, we are lost. I have no-one. Absolute despair sweeps over me in waves and all I see are people, in the real world, who are predatory towards me. I trust no-one.

I am a good, thoughtful, decent person and faithful friend. I have a lot to offer. I am worth knowing - worthy of friends and of respect.

I could survive if the folks here were in my real world. We could support each other and I would think, could become a force to be reckoned with. Such decent folk. I thought everyone fitted somewhere. Somewhere they could be loved and prosper.

I can only limp on and wait to see how I will next be taken advantage of, discredited. I don't think much of people.

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Agree @Appleblossom Unfortunately people (us) are often just put in a box or a box ticked and it does not actually help or benefit us at all. We often have to fight for help and that is not the way it should be - we have often had to fight so much already to ask for help (and along our 'journeys').

I have been part of a local suicide prevention network for a while but have also become so frustrated with it - the main reason is they want more people with lived experience but their meetings are always held in the middle of the day - services that deal with these issues have representatives that attend but they completely exclude those that work in other areas. I have asked for the meetings to be more 'individual' friendly but so far nothing - so I think my participation will end - it really is just another example of a committee or agency 'talking' too much, not listening at all and justifying their position by saying they need to do more without actually doing it.

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Hi @chibam

Thank you for raising these important issues that are contributing to the stigma and current issues within the mental health system at the moment. There are lots of really important points here and we share the passion for change to ensure that those living with mental health concerns can access safe and recovery oriented mental health services that put lived experience at the core of what they do.

One of SANE's core pillars is advocacy, aimed at amplifying the voices of those living with mental health concerns and their friends, families and carers. We advocate in lots of different spaces at all levels of the mental health system to make sure that the voices of lived experience and the needs of our community are represented as widely as possible.

Through consultations and our work with our Peer Ambassadors, we are always keeping our ear to the ground to make sure that we are hearing the needs of the communities we support. That's where hearing from you is really important, and I will make sure to share your post with our team, and we will share any consultations or opportunities to get involved in SANE's advocacy here on the forums 🙂

Openness and transparency are really important to us, and so it's important that I pass on that in this instance there is an agenda set for the meeting that is predetermined. We will be representing and ensuring the voice of lived experience is embedded in all we do, but I'm mindful this meeting may not speak to every concern raised here today.

That being said, we advocate in every part of what we do and we are always looking to hear your thoughts and experiences so we can be better advocates. You are more than welcome to also send any things you would like us to know about to the forums email address (team@saneforums.org) 🙂

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Just read both this and your post on the new thread @Historylover I can absolutely hear your mistrust and despar around people What you have been dealing with from this group is both bullying and assault. You do not deserve that and it should not be happening. Quite frankly it is disgusting that you are being put through this.

I am so grateful you have us here - I do know it is not at all like having people in the real world - but we are also real people and the care and support we offer is real - so whenever you need please reach out here. I can also very highly recommend the SANE counsellors if you need one on one support - even just a chat about what is happening for you. I won't suggest other services as I have had mixed experiences myself so I stick with what I know and those I know here at SANE.

The value of this community is that we are all here because of MI but we are also all here because we have people around us that get it - not every detail because we are all different, have different paths, histories and stories - but can truly empathise with each other. I hope we here can help to restore your faith in people a little - it certainly has for me.

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Also echoing @Zoe7's beautiful comment above, we are here to support @Historylover and be a listening ear if you need someone to lean on The SANE Helpline is still available until 10pm tonight, and we have counsellors around to support you

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@Historylover

Somehow I picked up you are worth knowing. Can we be friends?

I can only imagine the trauma you experienced growing up.

Sadly, I too am a mother who has been robbed of her daughter/s. There is stigma there too ... I bet both our stories are complicated. I know there are others ....

Take Care and Stay Safe

Ten years ago at a city church. a lady I had been to uni with, a decade before, loudly asserted I was "Walking Wounded", she connected to hierarchy and was paid, I bump into her now & then at Professional Development workshops ....she has moved on ...we both have .... I do both Personal and Prof dev ....weary sigh ...

Thank you @Daisydreamer for being honest about limits.

Pass on "our" the communities' regards at the meeting.

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