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Feeling Fragile

Feeling Fragile

Hello,

I, like almost everyone, had a pretty shit 2020. I did some pretty horrible things which I am ashamed about. My marriage was on the brink of collapsing. And then, things looked positive... I cancelled booked psychologist appointments and my psych appointment - she said that i should go back on my anti depressants which i was not happy to do. I cancelled my counselling sessions because i thought i was ok.

Fast forward to today - i feel like crying all of the time, Ive lost interest in doing things, and sometimes i think about hurting myself. I tell myself I would never try anything stupid, but I am just so fragile at the moment. Its getting so hard. It seems pretty obvious that I am depressed. Maybe i am just in denial, i dont want to take the med's again.

Is anyone out there to chat with?

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hello Dani

I enjoy reading your notes, and you certainly keep the neurons active.

Thank you.

At the end of your note, you made a statement that I think was a question. If I turn it around a little, it becomes

“Am I making any sense at all?”

The answer I propose is that I find it difficult to communicate with people who I think don't make sense. I don't have difficulty communicating with you, so my answer to the question is

“Yes, you do make sense”.

Having difficulty in life isn't the same as not making sense. A little while ago I was recalling a counselling appointment where the counsellor asked me how I felt about a particular issue. My response began with:

“I think that....” when the lady interjected and said:

“No, I am asking you how you feel, not what you think”

I was 27 at that time. Yes, that's years of age. So do you think I was mixed up about how to describe feelings and thoughts?

In a conversation, it may have been said that I didn't make sense. But that is because I wasn't talking the same “language”, not that what I said made no sense. The question is are we communicating with the same words used in a way that we both/all understand each other.

Friendship! I understand that it may be considered that friendship is overrated. But that really depends on what you mentioned: “our expectations”. Certainly, I have had friendships and relationships where, either I did not meet the expectations of someone else, or they did not meet or fulfil my expectations. Either way, there is a reason for disappointment, but possibly also an opportunity for growth.

I know for example a fellow who indicated that he was struggling with a small hospitality business. I helped him and he'd pass me a (very) few $$ now and again with the comment that he really couldn't afford any more. When I asked him for some assistance, he was very clear that he would charge me the full going rate for the work he did for me. Yes, business and friends don't mix well. However, it soon became apparent that there were other reasons that I no longer wanted this person as a friend.

I think that what we put into a friendship should be only as much as we can afford to lose. Now that comment may seem to be a mercenary point of view. On the other hand, I do believe that what we give in friendship is no longer ours to determine how it is used, applied or given on. In other words, whatever is given in friendship is given unconditionally. And likewise whatever is received in friendship should have no conditions or strings attached. If there are conditions or strings or expectations attached to what is given or received in a friendship, then to my way of thinking, it is really a contract and constitutes a business deal.

If we view friendship as an arrangement where whatever is given is given freely, we detach ourselves from any mercenary implication. However, the way I see it is that if we put into a friendship what we can afford to lose, and what is given in friendship is given unconditionally, without expectation of a return, then that truly constitutes friendship.

It's like stopping to give someone who looks as though they may not be able to do something or are totally unprepared for an unexpected event such as the requirement to change a wheel with a flat tyre. Assisting in this way is an act of friendship with no expectation of return, apart from the simple request to pass it on. If a smile and an appreciative thank you is offered, that is return enough. Though not necessarily expected, it can be graciously received. In this arrangement, we stop without the expectation of reward (unless of course we walk up and arrange a price before doing anything.)

That is what I view as the extreme short form of friendship. But realistically, our longer-term relationships can be very similar. If we have no expectation of return, we cannot lose anything. If we expect a return, everything given in this manner is an investment and we can consequently lose in the transaction.

Well, it is 1.00 am and I had better get some sleep. I did at least want to get this off tonight.

We had a planned power outage today from 7.30 am to 6.00 pm, so today was really a day of quiet reflection.

I'll come back on some of the other points tomorrow

We're on the downhill run to the end of the week. I do hope that the next few days are pleasant for you and your family

With Best Wishes

HenryX

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hi @HenryX

When I read your story and those of others, I feel that my expectations may be a tad high. My friends don't purposely hurt me, they don't use me or ask me for anything. They are just not there for me when I need them. I don't know whether I am expecting too much?

I have my psychologist appointment this morning. We are planning on speaking about friendships. I have generally been pretty bad at maintaining friendships. I don't have a best friend. I have close friends but no one who chooses me first. That bothered me for quite a while but after thinking about friends being overrated, I think I may get over it.

anyways, I will let you know how my appointment goes later today.

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hi @HenryX

Hope you are ok?

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hi Dani,

Yes, I'm going well thank you. I hope you are likewise.

It's been a fairly quiet day for me, a bit more activity tomorrow.

I plan to get the motor-bike out and give it, or me, a test run.

The both of us I think. Test my balance and a short run on the bike to see what needs adjusting before I go on any longer runs.

It's a while since I've ridden so I'll have to take it easy for a while.

Today most of the activity has been on the computer, “talking” or downloading books from one of my favourite websites “pdfdrive.com”

It's very good to hear from you

Hope everything is going well for you

Best Wishes

HenryX

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hi @HenryX

I thought I'd put you off somehow. Like been too boring or you'd got tired of messaging.
I hope your bike riding went well

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@Dani1981

Hello Dani

Unfortunately, we have had similar reasons for the delay in corresponding. I tend to write so much, that when I look back at my messages, I worry that it might be my messages that people may look at and say “oh, not another one of Henry's books” and skip right on to the next message. I do always appreciate the “support” clicks and so I feel as though what I write is of value to you and other people.

I hope you can appreciate that it is I who does not want to intrude or be boring or overbearing.......

I just looked back at some of my previous messages and also realised that I had overlooked adding your “identifier” @Dani1981 in some of my previous posts/messages. That would mean, as I am now aware, that you may not have received notification on the “new message board” of some of the messages that I had placed. However, those messages were written and placed in your thread. I believe that you would now be aware of that anyway. I am also sorry for that oversight on my part.

Consequently, I was worried that I may have “overstepped the mark” in some way. Hopefully, we have now cleared up any confusion in that regard.

What I recall was that you had an appointment last week and were looking forward to discussing some issues on friendship.

I can assure you, Dani, that I have enjoyed our correspondence and hope to continue corresponding with you. I am also disappointed to feel that I gave you cause for concern.

Having ended up going to bed late last night – silly fellow - forgot to take some tablets. As a result, ended up sleeping late today and will have to postpone the ride till tomorrow. Is this fear-avoidance?

I don't think so – more a lack of preparation. However, tomorrow is fine. It's hot here so it is a good time for riding.

Looking forward to hearing back from you Dani,

With Best Wishes,

HenryX

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Re: Feeling Fragile

Hi @HenryX

Aren't I such a hypocrit? I have been slow in replying to your messages yet when you take time to reply to mine, I wonder whether you have gotten sick of me...

It is a recurring theme in my life. I get engrossed into relationships/friendships so much, and get scared of rejection or abandonment. And I always take things personal. Like when someone does not reply, I think that I must be the reason why they are not responding. I dont seem to think about what the other person must have going on in their lives. I just get upset.

I do enjoy reading your messages. That is why I got worried that I would not receive any more.

My psychologist and I spoke about how I gravitate towards friendships with males. I find that they have more time for texting/answering calls, than my female friends. I thought it was a pathologic thing that I do, because of my own lack of a father figure growing up. I love my dad. He tried his best. He just did not know how to be a good father. I know he loved me. And he certainly tried. But for a young girl growing up, it was not enough.

Anyways, I hope to hear back from you

Dani

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@Dani1981

Hi Dani,

Have begun to write a reply, but am due to go out shortly.

Thank you for your message and look forward to catching up Later on.

Going to a friend's place for dinner, then to a small singing group after that.

It's these sorts of activities that get me out and about.

Cheers for now

HenryX

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Re: Feeling Fragile

No worries at all @HenryX

Have FUN!

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@Dani1981

Hello Dani

“Everything is good”, which is not an expression that I particularly like or normally use, but it says how I feel. In an association/friendship/relationship where I would like to think the middle reference applies in our case, despite the anonymity, we work through issues that arise. There is never going to be an association of any type where problems or issues will not arise or, in some way, need to be addressed, qualified and balanced. It's how we deal with those issues that make for a positive association or otherwise in any context.

In our case, you stated your concern, I responded and we've dealt with that and I hope that our friendship is that much stronger for the exercise. I just hope that I am not being too bold in calling our association a friendship. However, that is how I would like to think of it. We find many other linkages on these forums where people have very good associations at varying levels that would be viewed as mutually supportive friendships; again despite and sometimes, dare I say it, because of anonymity. Who knows how we (collective we) might react if we were ever to meet. I can only hope that the meeting and experience would be pleasant and positive.

Your first comment in your reply to me yesterday sounds like you are beating yourself up regarding being a “hypocrite”. It may be that you are sometimes over critical of yourself in friendships. You think the other person is not responding the way that you think they might. Then you somehow blame yourself for the difference. Once we start blaming or passing judgement on ourselves or others, we have taken ourselves to that judgement stage on a point of difference, without going through negotiation, arbitration, etc., as you and I have done in our recent experience. Once we are at judgement stage, whether of ourselves or others, it is difficult to go back to basics, the point where we would like to be in a friendship. I guess what I am also saying is that we need to be as forgiving towards ourselves as we might be toward others.

The issue of rejection. WOW, it is a big issue for most of us. And it is from this fear that arises our self-criticism, the idea that we may not have met the “standards expected of us” whether our own or what we believe others expect of us. And when our criticism of ourselves becomes intense, it not only becomes a matter of high concern to ourselves, but that very same self-criticism becomes a barrier between us and others. The barrier is one we have built ourselves. It is a form of Self-exclusion.

Yesterday, I was talking with someone about what they described as “an unusual fear based dream” that they had. I suggested that they

“sit down in a comfortable chair, relax as completely as you can and allow yourself to consider the possibilities and implications that the dream may have for you and your relationships with other people. Remember that the dream is what your mind is offering you. Be kind to yourself and others during this reflection. Notice that I have not mentioned the perceptions of anyone else. No-one else is involved in you having a dream. The dream is your story and only yours.”

The reason I mention the dream response is because I would like you, if you would, to set aside ten minutes when you will be on your own to do exactly the same thing, with the only difference being to replace “the dream” with a “friend” in your mind. Again, sit in a comfortable chair and consider having a conversation with a friend. My guess is that during that conversation you will find yourself leaning forward to emphasise a point or ensure that your friend does not misunderstand you. At that point, I would then like you to quietly make yourself aware of your tenseness and gently ease yourself back into the comfortable chair and continue your dialogue with your friend.

I have deliberately said gently because there should be no self-censure, criticism, reprimand, or anything that might be considered corrective – just gently relax back into the chair and continue the conversation.

Remember the conversation is your conversation, and only yours, just like the dream story.

This activity may seem somewhat theatrical at first, but if you can do it a few times I think that you may become aware of the enjoyment you can have in a conversation while you are completely relaxed. Not expecting anything of yourself nor of the other person, but simply enjoying the participation and exchange of ideas in the conversation.

It is indeed, the fear of rejection and/or abandonment that causes us to over-invest in our interactions with other people. And when the response doesn't match our investment we think that we have somehow failed. This is where self-criticism and self-blame begins. This process begins a cycle that eventually wears us out. We then become emotionally exhausted from the constant heavy drain on our personal resources. This is why I am asking you to participate in the “conversation between you and a friend” on your own a few times, and then gradually bring that exercise into your real-life friendships. Remember also, to practice the same relaxed demeanour while you are standing or moving around. I do believe that you will be very pleasantly surprised at the responses that you receive. However, my caution is that you do not seek or try to initiate the responses, simply put what you have practised into play and allow whatever happens, to happen. You will also feel far less stressed at the end of an evening or any other gathering.

I believe that one possible reason that you “gravitate towards friendships with males” may be because you feel more at ease conversing with men. Okay, I acknowledge that there are differences in communications between men and women of which I still have no understanding. However, I do think that there is a slightly more competitive element among women than among men. Now that is only my belief, yet to be confirmed. However, if you do what I have suggested, I believe that people will soon be saying,

“Hey, Dani (insert your name) how come you're so chill? What is it that's happening in your life that's brought this difference.”

And remember that it is you who have changed the way you interact with others.

Just don't let them get too carried away with the possible reasons. That might not be a good thing.

And it will difficult to convince them it was all in a dream.

I am pleased that, while your father was, as you say, not the most responsive to your needs as a child, growing up, that you still regard him favourably and fondly and recognise the love he had for you and that you love him also.

Thank you for your comment regarding the enjoyment of reading my messages. You see, this is a mutually rewarding relationship, and I likewise look forward to your responses.

Be assured that I am happy to continue our correspondence, Dani. I likewise enjoy the opportunity of “speaking” with you. I find your messages interesting, sometimes intriguing, challenging and I enjoy responding

Thank you

With Best Wishes

HenryX

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