I have to ask this question and it could be triggering for some.....

Hi there @Bunniekins

I am sorry to hear that you are feeling alone tonight. Good iin you for seeking support. It sure is an interesting question to put to the forum members! I think it is fine to ask it but would members be careful with any replies. Details about such acts could well be triggering or distressing other members.

Take care

Whitehawk

@Former-Member thank you Whitehawk I appreciate it is a tricky one and that we have to be mindful of other formites when answering. peax

@Bunniekins I am a little confused do you mean criminally insane as in you met the criteria of insanity in legal terms? Or do you mean you committed an illegal act during a time where you met the criteria for a legal defense of insanity? I am just a little confused about what you are asking....

@Bunniekins Hmmm if the question is asking what I think it is then I haven’t done something that was illegal but I have done things I regret. I guess the scariest and closest I have had with doing something that was criminal was when I was hearing voices every night for a few years telling me I had to hurt other people. I never did hurt anyone I never even tried for me though that is why I kept trying to hurt myself because I kept telling the voices I would give them me but I wasn’t going to hurt anyone else.

@Bunniekins

Big Big hug

Can you talk more about it with the health prof who already knows. Get them to understand you need to tease it out a bit more.

Motherhood tends to come with guilt, rightly or wrongly, be careful about getting into a beat up of yourself.

Getting into morality and good and bad, and legal and criminal and sanity issues is a huge area. I agree with @Eden1919 's question/comment. I also went deep into the criminal and law stuff a couple years ago with my son. Cant say more.

I have done illegal things when I was young (under21 substance related). I had no concept of a speed limit, it was just ride. I do not think they were bad as nobody was hurt and I do not particularly regret them. I see it as a stage and the facts of the world I grew up in. I would not have hurt anyone, and seeing how full consequences of that life style did damage people, turned me around.

@Eden1919 @Appleblossom Hi Eden1919 and Appleblossom thank you for getting back to me so quick. I mean did an illegal act whilst being criminally insane 😞

Hi @Bunniekins good question. Brings back a lot of memories but not triggering me at the moment. Maybe a bit of shame at times, but I forgive myself as I was undiagnosed and fully believing my manic delusions unknowingly. The short answer is yes, several times over the years. For example thinking someone had ended their life and going through their home with a fine tooth comb looking for evidence, but also stealing their pot seeds. There are more extreme things but I won't tell them to anyone ever. Absolutely outrageous.

@Bunniekins I haven’t done anything illegal but I think also that is partly my personality and also the fact that I have a somewhat legal background so these things factor into my desicions even when I am not myself. Idk like I have done some very odd stuff and stuff I deeply regret and am embarrassed about but nothing illegal.

I stupidly drove my car while intoxicated when going through a manic episode. I had no idea where I wanted to go just needed to leave the house. When the police locked me in a box I lost it. I did ask for a doctor and explained what i was going through but was denied help this only tipped me into a psychotic rage. I had no clear decision making skills.

@Minnie64

When I was 18-20 I rode under the influence of many substances. Legality was not the question for me, as most people seemed negative, angry and corrupt. Now I am amazed I got home in one piece. For a while I thought it was God looking out for me. Now I think it was probably partly due to early abandonment and me being very used to dissociating, so I could compartmentalise in my brain. A weird kind of resilience. I never took to alcohol, probably as I saw many angry drunks on the street, and I never wanted to be like that, so in a weird way I turned it around to healthy living, by time I returned from overseas, I was at uni, 23, all I could afford was a push bike and legumes, and I was alright with that, as I had seen the world and was at a top uni, seemed a fair trade off. I was also the driver and carer when others were in psychotic states. I only had one psychotic break when I was 17, but had a practical mindset and too often there were younger people around who needed caring.

Now I firmly believe big pharma peddling pills is more culpable than any acts I did back then. I had been raised on an excess of religion and little awareness of legality anyway. Good medicine and wise use of meds is important, but making medicine a profitmaking industry .. idk

@Bunniekins

From what I researched, the whole legal question of insanity in legal jurisdictions circles around culpability and guilt, and then deciding punishment. "Criminal insanity" per se seems more of a journalist phrase than a legal one, to inspire horror in a good law abiding public (some facetiousness there) and increases stigma regarding Mental illness ... IMO.

@eth