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Is psychology and ART or a SCIENCE?

Is psychology and ART or a SCIENCE?

Just sharing my ideas and knowledge of psychology. I am not an expert, I am a normal person that suffers with bipolar II, but I feel that part of my recovery is knowledge.

Psychologist are not all the same. Their perspectives vary greately and in my experience it has been very important to find the right one.

There are psychologists that strongly believe in SCIENCE alone. For them psychology is mostly a science. They see the fictional nature of the self as grounds for banishing all talk of it from the realm of neuron centere, scientific psychology. For them mental illness is an illness proper where the brain is everything including the fact that the brain gives rise to consciousness. Even though there is no definite evidence for the idea that consciousness raises from brain matter they go with this belief which, of course, is not a scientific thing to do at all. Consciousness is an area of scientific philosophy that defies rationality, that remains a mistery. We simply do not know enough about consciousness to speculate about it. To this day anything is possible including the idea that consciousness, far from being in the brain, may be an energy found in the whole Universe, the whole Universe may be conscious. Everything may be conscious. We simply do not know for sure, we have no solid evidence. Science has not yet found out the origins of consciousness with certainty. It is all speculation.

There are other psychologists that give more importance to the ART aspect of psychology. Accordingly they see the fictional nature of 'the self' as the 'firm' fundation from which 'person centered psychology proceeds'.

What does this mean?

We are beings that make sense of our life by narrating stories, stories about our lives. We are storied beings or simply people that need to tell stories to make sense of our life. Our life is a story, a lived story. And while the mind, as in consciousness, may or may not rise from the brain, our thoughts and visions and stories are powerful and have a real impact on real life and oon our bodily functions.

Our thoughts, while abstract, have a real impact on our well being. In this sense, trying to ban the self from neuron centered psychology is the biggest mistakes that cen be made. And yet, some psychologists, favour science wanting to eradicate any notion of the self. These are the psychology of the laboratory where they study the material brain matter, neurons, chemical reaction and experiment with small animals.

The implications of this is that while medication may be necessary for a treatment, therapy is also important because we make sense of our life by telling stories about ourselves and others and because thoughts and ideas have a real impact on our condition.

Fortunately, many psychologists today, but not all, do accept the fact that psychology is both and ART and a SCIENCE.

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Re: Is psychology and ART or a SCIENCE?

Hi @theaveragejoe,

great post. The best therapist I ever had was actually a social worker who had experience in counselling. The other therapists I saw were all a bit different too. Once was a nurse with counselling qualifications, another was Gestalt Therapist. One was a trained psychologist.

My psychiatrist also did counselling with me, to an extent.

I kept moving towns, so I kept having to find new counsellors. Overall, I don't know a lot about psychology.... only from reading books and articles.

I think some people really enjoy the job of counselling and can become very good at it, even without a huge scientific knowledge. So you don't necessarily need to be a psychologist to be able to help someone. You do, however need to recognise when someone's needs are beyond your scope of practice and needs to be referred on to a psychiatrist for review.

This happened recently to the son of one of my friends. He was seeing a psychologist who only had a couple of years experience. He had some form of episode during a counselling session and she called an ambulance to take him to the hospital to be seen by the psychiatrist on call there. When my friend told me this I just thought "Thank God he is getting proper help."

I believe the psychologist absolutely did the right thing.

But back to what you were saying.... I guess the psychologists who are only interested in the science of the brain go into research and leave the clinical psychology to those who are interested in hearing people's stories?

I doubt you could become a clinical psychologist without being interested in the concept of the 'self' and all that goes along with it.

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Re: Is psychology and ART or a SCIENCE?

Hi Sahara,

I think that you are correct, psychologists that go into research are the ones that prefer science and reject the self. I know quite a few that work in Universities. The problem is that some of these researchers do teach clinical psychology at Universitis and one must wonder to what extent do thier beliefs spill into the subject matter that they teach? This was my real concern when I was at uni.

And there was great tension between the few philosophy subjects that I studied and the science of psychology.

Some Universities are more in favour of science than others.

For example, at my university there was 80% science and only 20% person centered studies. And the other thing is that degrees such a couselling psychology which tend to give much more importance to person centered studies are rare and only offered in a limited numbers of universities here.

Clinical psychology also has its crisis in that it is beginning to look more and more like psychiatry and there is talk that psychologists should one day prescribe medications. If psycology is changed so drammatically there are problems, as you can imagine Sahara.

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