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TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Hi,

I just had this TED talk pop up and found it really helpful.

It's often a big part of any trauma and abuse for the abuser to later deny that it happened, and try to shift the reality of the other person but this author's talk was about how the gaslighting was really the large part of the abuse that she received and how it was something that she had to survive all of itself it's a short talk where she just outlines what happened to her and how she was able to find a way through by taking back control of her own narrative.

trigger warning: refers (a bit flippantly :-() to suicide though the speaker was never suicidal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4P2Qwh1QCU

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Hi @Fredd50,

Thanks so much for sharing this! A really interesting and insightful look into this. Also grateful for the trigger warning 🙂

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Thanks @Fredd50

This was an interesting talk. I'd always wondered what gaslighting was and this helped me understand. I guess my world has been full of it from my mum too. Even now she still carries on the same with me, and yes, I've found my coping strategies too; similar to those mentioned in the video.

So again, thankyou...

Hope

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Hello @Fredd50

I have seen the term gas lighting written ..however not understood the meaning...assumed yet another word added to the Oxford dictionary..

no different to my not having heard of let alone experienced narcissism and mysogonysism or however that is spelt..until I was told that was so..

sadly once experienced is recognisable in real and virtual worlds...

a valuable able insight for all using the forums

thank you

In response to: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Hello @Fredd50

I have seen the term gas lighting written ..however not understood the meaning...assumed yet another word added to the Oxford dictionary..

no different to my not having heard of let alone experienced narcissism and misogynism or however that is spelt..until I was told that was so..

sadly once experienced is recognisable in real and virtual worlds...

a valuable insight for all using the forums

thank you

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

@Sophia1 @Fredd50 @Former-Member @Appleblossom

After realising what Gas-lighting was, I assessed my mother's approach to me since early childhood and found many of my dysfunctional beliefs about myself and the world came from her. Some of them include:

1. I was destined to be average as I lacked intelligence. Best to marry a wealthy man.

2. My opinions and feelings were secondary to hers, and in many cases not worth listening to.

3. Showing love to her was weak and stupid. I was pushed away if I tried to cuddle her, even if she was in pain.

4. My sister was always in the right if we argued or differed in opinions. I felt like a bully and was feared by everyone. This hurt intensely.

I was (and still am) berated and humiliated for saying I'm upset and especially challenging her opinions. So I learned not to voice my hurt and thoughts. If I do it infuriates her because it insinuates she's done something wrong so she attacks.

This happened two nights ago where I was so upset about her interrupting me and playing down my words, ("yeah...whatever") I lost all interest in our conversation. It got the better of me when she kept it up; I yelled at her to get off my back and try listening for a change. She went beresk and insulted me to no end. I left and haven't been back since.

When I eventually bring it up for discussion after things have calmed, she'll deny, deny, deny; and blame me for being too sensitive or making things up. The anger, frustration and helplessness this has caused me my whole life was a major facet in healing my wounded mind.

I've found friends and lovers who've mirrored this technique which keeps me at home and out of harm's way. I've taught myself to listen without comment, but now and then I offer support or my thoughts which can be ignored or interrupted; my norm. Even now I still wonder if I'm the cause of it all. It's very confusing at times.

I guess that's what I enjoy about the forums; I get to speak, be heard, acknowledged and validated. It's an important aspect of the connections we make on here.

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

I first came across it in conversation a long time ago and watched the 1944 movie "Gaslight" with Ingrid Bergman.

I realised I had been a serious victim during my marriage. I am not sure that I agree with A Leve's postion to remain defiant.

I am a bit tired of Americans using Youtube to shame their mothers and gain pity. SHe also had a rich father available to her.

Yes my mother gaslighted a bit, but my ex husband was far worse. In both scenarios "defiance" was not possible. There are also consequences of continual defiance. I may have spoken up a few times in many years and was blamed.

There are other movies about it toohttps://www.women.com/sophiematthews/lists/movies-about-gaslighting-100118

Woooops that site got it wrong. It assumed the Hollywood movie started it all ... failed to mention:

The 1938 stageplay by Patirck Hamilton was first put in film in 1940 in UK.

I am also sick of Americans claiming to be creative geniuses all the time when they are just great at stealing ideas. I try to be careful and do my homework. Dont always get it right tho.

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Thanks so much for your beautiful post Hope4me.
Can relate a lot, and slowly starting to learn to come out from under the gaslight, so to speak.
Whatever the cause of gaslightinf behaviour, I think the really important thing I've been learning is to remember that it belongs to the gaslight, not to me. It might sound really obvious, but it seems to be a central tenet of the gaslighting: convincing the gaslight person that the behaviour of the gaslighter is:
A) acceptable, normal behaviour that the gaslit person is supposed to put up with and accommodate; and/or
B) never actually happened and was imagined or misinterpreted by the gaslit person; and/or
C) Was caused by the gaslit person who is somehow responsible for the behaviour of the gaslighter; and/or
D) should not have any impact on the gaslit person - if the gaslit person objects or displays any emotional reaction this is considered "clear evidence" that the gaslit person has something wrong with them and pointed out as such.
That's I think why it can be really hard to break out of: gaslit kids run the danger of being groomed to continually put up with gaslighting their entire lives :-(.
For me learning slowly how to recognise, avoid and/or stand up to that kind of behaviour whilst also learning how to avoid being damaged by it is huge.
It also involves stepping back and realising that there was never anything wrong with me - that unfortunately being told there was was just another example of gaslighting behaviour - which can be done without awareness and by groups, not just individuals.
Saying there was never anything wrong with me doesn't mean "I'm perfect and have nothing to learn", but on the contrary "I'm human and we all have something to learn".
It's about stepping back from the "sick" vs "well" dichotomy in the unfortunate history of 'ment health' and realising it was never really there. Ultimately, it was always an example on (sometimes unconscious) gaslighting or "lack of insight" into the human condition (including, of course, their own) by its historical proponents.
Of course, there are a range of views on this and some people find different things helpful. But for me it was realising that anyone who tried to force this view onto me was gaslighting , trying to substitute by own experience and situation with their own personal belief system. Someone might be a Christian and believe in God and that's not gaslighiting. Until it becomes about forcing another person give up their experience of being an athiest or scientist or Hindu or anything else, especially if that person tries to convince the other that they have a diseased brain if they don't eg, follow Christianity...
That has been about the most powerful realisation I've ever had. It seems to be a long slog learning what to do from there. But suddenly it's a slog with vigour and purpose and worth. It's not the slog of the inadequate, "abnormal" person who didn't pass the bar to enter "society" and be normal anymore. It's life, with meaning and purpose and awesomeness and even though it's hard sometimes it's recognising everything I so is about being human, as we all are.
So I don't know why people gaslight either. But I know now what I wish I'd always known. That they do. And that one day I can learn how to live a life that does not involve them dictating any aspect of my reality in any way, shape or form. Because more and more people are starting to learn about this too ❤️❤️💜🙏

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Dear @Fredd50

I appreciate your comments re my post. It's nice to be validated. 🙂

When I wrote that post, things were fresh in my mind due to the conflict with mum. As time's passed though, I realise, as I have with so many 'labels' and 'terms', that it's not so much about what 'it's' called; it's more about recognising dysfunction in our relationships and communication with people.

The consequences of Gaslighting are many and even though they may generate similarities with others, it's our personal experiences that create individuality and character. (or lack there of)

I'm also inclined to think genes are responsible for some of our traits. I for instance, have responded to mum very different to my siblings; my biological father's different from theirs. I also had the advantage of being around positive role models growing up that they didn't. Nurture vs nature yet again...

I guess the word that most applies to us and others who've been 'put apon' since childhood, is 'coping'. It's our ability to cope (or not) with gaslighting moreso than the experience itself.

Although you haven't described your experiences in detail, I gather from your knowledge you've 'lived' gaslighting and have explored its conseqences and causes. I spent many a day trying to work my mum out. My conclusions were accurate, but this info wasn't really helpful in dealing with her cruel/ignorant words and outbursts.

It was 'my' actions, words, thoughts and responses to her that mattered at the end of the day. That's where healing begins...

Thankyou again for your reply. I enjoyed reading it and look forward to chatting more.

Kind regards;

Hope

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Re: TED talk the emotional trauma of gaslighting

Hi @Appleblossom

As always, you've contributed quality information for us to contemplate. I find 'interested' comunication and intelligence in others really attractive alternatives to my circle of family and friends; there's an abundance of it here on the forum.

I know this sounds insulting to them, but honestly, I so enjoy interacting with people who get it and are able to exchange ideas, information and experiences with 'intent', interest and quality assessing skills.

I agree with your 'Yanky' comments. If Gaslighting could be seen on an international level, they'd be top of the charts! Ha ha... Their ability to make themselves the centre of the Universe has been around for as long as I remember. Mum for instance, quotes them relentlessly. "Because I said so.." doesn't compensate for a lack of emotional intelligence or aptitude. Jeez, I'm full of it today hey? lol

Anyway, I think you've researched this well. Time permitting, I may even explore the movie/stage production you mentioned. It'd be interesting to see how 'then' vs 'now' comes across.

Always nice to converse with you hun.

Kind thoughts;

Hope

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Thanks for your latest post @Hope4me always great to trade musings :-).

My experience with gaslighting started with my mum .Bless her. My mum is an amazing person but there was a lot of intergenerational trauma in the family that led to difficulties with connecting. I don't like to use the word "dysfunction" because to me (though of course we all get different associations) it feels like a judgement word - the kind of word professionals use to try and imply there is some perfect "functional" way of being and I disagree with that 😉 but I digress.

My mum bless her socks would fly into a rage sometimes and say some rather nasty things. But when trying to speak to her about it she would claim it never happened. Similarly she would strore info I gave her in a time when she was being nice, such as the names of friends, and then use it against me to gain the upper hand in and argument (eg. She would deliberately try to undermine me by claiming a friend had told her some horrible thing about my nature or character when all she had to go on was a name and a quasi-convincing air).

I love my mum, we have finally been able to talk about a lot of this stuff and understand that she was doing what she thought she had to to survive.

As for genes and coping, we all muse through things I suppose. But morally I look at that situation and I know that it would put obscene pressure on anyone and the attempt to claim some people are just born less strong and everyone should be able to cope just doesn't ring true. I have four siblings, every one of them was affected by this and other things that happened in different ways.

It was a complex dynamic of interpersonal relationships, as all things are. I think genes only have as much impact as any starting conditions have. I used to work in a molecular biology lab so genes dont look quite so easy to blame they are a huge library of codes, whose expression gets turned on and off, depending on the presence or absence of other compounds in a cerv, very complex dynamic and interactive way. Each gene codes for a family of polypeptides (protein strings) they don't contain pre-set recipes for complex things like personality and brains - all brains form in concert with the environment, this starts in the womb.

My siblings and I did react differently to my mum, then she reacted in turn. Other things came into it too like timing or the outside world the stress mum was under the lack of support etc.

But being hurt by what she did wasn't a lack of "coping" it was a natural reaction. We all need love and affection and safety in our important relationships growing up. I stand by it. It would affect anyone. They just get affected and show those effects diffently because no two people ever experience the same thing.

That's how it is with genes and other starting conditions in any species even where they do make a contribution what contribution they make depends on the environment. That was always Darwin's theory. So those people who say "genes made you not cope and the abuse you received doesn't matter" are not acknowledging Darwin. They are seemingly twisting it around to not acknowledge that there might be wonderful characteristics in the person that aren't developing because if the abusive environment.

In my opinion professionals or parents who say this (my mum loved to say it, bless her, whenever I pointed out the effects of our relationship/her behaviour she would retort that I was born horrible) later professionals tried to point to my genes.

In the end I decided that they just had some emotional hurt of their own and were were trying to discount and reframe my experience to suit their agenda. I decided I wasn't going to play their game. The evidence did not stack up and it was rather in favour of my reacting to circumstances in order to survive. And that heartbreak was part of the normal human reaction and far from a sign of "weakness" or "not coping".

Rather it was a period of letting go and reforming, of finding vulnerability and truth towards compassion and healing where previously I had thought I had to "cope" in a dog eat dog world.

I'm pretty good at eating dogs, it turns out, given the right allies and circimcircums. But I try to eat the platforms out from under the meanies rather than just lash out in defence. I'm learning more every day and always will.

But the important thing I realised was that any professional who calls me or anyone else "flawed", "sick", "less able to cope", "dysfunctional" etc, was actually the pot calling the kettle black.

Again, I understand that some people find these things helpful and that's cool. But they aren't for me.

In my world everyone is both imperfect and perfect. Entirely beautiful, incredible beings capable of great kindness, great cruelty, great insight, great ignorance and everything around or in between.

🙏💜

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