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a bit of help please?

a bit of help please?

i am new here

seeing gp tomoro to get a referral to a psych as i just want to be formally diagnosed not have pills shoved atme by a gp who wont listen/doesnt care about the outcome

i have tried many times to seek help with behavioural issues and its always the same- they tell me i am depressed and give me antidepressants even when i state i am NOT depressed.

i do struggle with sleep.i do have other behaviours i am finding exhausting-inability to complete tasks, and racing thoughts being the most prevalent ( my house is in chaos and i am enrolled in 3 or 4 online courses that i have no motivation to finish.)

i have a vast collection of unfinished half started 'hobbies' and im tired.just tired of not being able to keep up with myself

antidepressants do not help me. i have tried and tried, they make me emotionless and dangerous- i considered leaving my partner and kids and/or killing myself and they also made me delusional the next time i was forced to try then, i went full manic paranoid and ended up at hospital with some kind of manic episode so they then sedated me and sent me home.

i stopped all their meds.it was months ago

i just want real HELP and to be diagnosed properly

what do i need to do? please. this is exhausting,

thanks

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Re: a bit of help please?

Hi and welcome!

I think its incredibly brave that you are continuing to seek support and help though you've had some awful experiences in the past.

My advice would be to research the options for psychologists in your area to find one who might suit your needs best and be really up front with what you want help with. If you find that there isnt a relationship developing iwth them after a little while i would look for someone else. I have been incredibly lucky with my psychologist but others have not been as lucky.

I hope that your GP appointment goes well tomorrow, let us know how you get on if you are able,

LJ

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Re: a bit of help please?

Welcome @minnykit (I always feel funny welcoming people here, just because of WHY they come).

Sounds like your GP has decided you have depression & that's it. From experience I know that it can be hard to get a diagnosis changed, even when we know it's not correct. A lot of times it's because we can't always get the information across that they need to know. But I guess they can also get set in their thinking too.

It is so important to try & get the message across to someone whether it's the GP or psych. You sound a lot like I was years ago. Getting treated for depression while knowing yourself that it's something much more. And if you're having manic episodes I've found that a number of antidepressants out there can make it much worse.

Struggling with sleep, incomplete projects & racing thoughts. I lived with all that & more for years while simply being treated for major depression. Didn't gain some resemblance of control until my world had already gone to hell and I forced my GP to take real notice.

I hope you get the psych appt, then perhaps you can get the full story across to someone else. If you think you may not be able to then write things down like you have here. Often it is easier to remember & say things if we write it down.

Above all, take care & stay safe.

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Hi @minnykit

Thanks for sharing about your experience 🙂

Great to hear you are feeling so motivated to regain control of your mental health and find some clarity about what's truly going on for you. That drive to recover is arguably the most important ingredient in this whole process.

I am sorry to hear about you negative experiences at the doctors office, and medication in particular! Time-poor and resource limited GPs who show little interest in mental health is an issue our callers at the SANE Help Centre raise often. I tend to think of GP's kind of like a medical 'jack of all trades'. They have some knowledge about most things, but they're not necessarily the specialists or experts in the field. That is why they refer on to more specialised health practitioners such as psychologists or psychiatrists... as these specialists have devoted additional years of education and training to a particular area of health (e.g, mental health and mental illness).

Mental illness is particularly tricky for GP's because it is quite complicated compared to a physical health issue. It is virtually impossible to properly assess a person in a 15 minute appointment. Mental health consultations with a GP really do require a double appointment (30 minutes) as it can take some time to cover all that is needed for a more comprehesive initial assessment. They symptoms you describe in your post are congruent with a typical depression presentation, but that does not necessarily mean you have depression. There is a whole lot of cross-over in symtoms between different diagnoses, so it's definitely worth delving deeper - especially as you have found the anti-depressant medication so incompatible with you.

At your appointment, the GP will be able to set up the 'mental health care plan' for you. This takes some time as the doctor will need to ask you a set of standard questions to pass onto the psyhologist, and write up a referral letter. From there, you can give your chosen psychologist a call and book in your first appointment. It is by working with a psychologist that you can expect to find greater clarity about your mental health. The GP can recommend a psychologist for you in the local area, or you can find one ahead of your appontment and bring their details with you for the referral. You can find a psychologist on the APS website.

Sometimes people assume you will be forced to take mediction as part of mental health management. Rather, you as a consumer have the option to take medication if you find it helpful. The only time a person is made to take medication is when they become sectioned under the mental health act due to high risk to self or others... and it doesn't sound like youre anywhere near reaching that place right now. You also do not need to take medication in order to see a psychologist. Many people find regular sessions with a psycholgoist enough to manage symptoms and work towards recovery. Psycholosigsts do not prescribe medication either, rather they implement a range of other talk-based therapies to target the issues you're struggling with (e.g., cognitive behavioural therapy). When you see the psychologist, remember that you are the expert in your own experience, you are their client, not their patient. That means you can let them know what you want out of therapy (e.g., a formal diagnosis) and what your recovery goals are. The psychologist can work collaboratively with you to help you explore these issues and guide you to a place where you feel more in control of your mental health.

If you want to discuss medication for mental illness with someone who really knows their stuff, this would be done with a psychiatrist. The psychiastrist is actually a doctor who has done further study in mental illness, so they are much more up to speed about medication for mental illness and its interaction with the body, possible side-effects etc. They typically do not offer therapy as much, more so medication management. But if you would like to understand more about why you experienced those medication side effects, you might find it more helpful arrange a consultation with a psychiatrist as well.

I hope this helps to clear a few things up about the whole process... Essentially you're still standing at the front door of the mental health system, and that can be really confusing and frustrating place. But it is really good to hear you are motivated to find out more, and delve deeper. Please keep us posted with how things go at the doctor today. Fingers crossed this will open the pathway for some more answers for you. Take care of yourself.

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Re: a bit of help please?

Hello @minnykit

I hope you find better support after your referral. I am impressed by the clarity of your self awareness of your symptoms and experience of medication and by your willingness to do psychotherapy. They are strengths.

I am also mindful of @Drac0's point, we are all needy when we come to the forums.

The mental health system is complex @Former-Member gave a great description, reminding us all that we are active "clients" not passive patients.

Good Luck

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Re: a bit of help please?

thanks everyone for their replies

i went to the gp last week to specifically seek an appt with a psychiatrist

she made me rebook a dbl appt as a single is only 15 minutes so i had to wait a week but did hopefully get some meds for migraines that should prevent them forming

so today she asked me a lot of questions and tbh some i didnt answer honestly as i have found in the past that all they will focus is that ... that trauma or death or abuse or whatever.

yes bad things have happened to me and around me,as they have to everyone in life

i dont want to rehash old news. and my behaviours predate any trauma or loss i simply dont think its relevant.

i have a refererall for a pscychiatrist. thats what i asked for. not a psychologist. i want a diagnosis not a chitty chat to an empty office chair while i "express'my emotions

i do not and have never found that helpful for me

anyway i rang to book an appt- apparently theres months to wait thats fine i can wait .

the receptionist told me the psych will go over my referal before she determines if she will see me or not

so im waiting . again

thanks to all xx

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I think that is the way the system works. Feel free to keep posting and we will "wait" with you.

I hope you get better psychotherapy with the new doc. I probably should get a psychiatrist appointment and will raise that next GP consult. I accept their time constraints, and realise mine is trying to cover all the bases healthwise, and it takes time.

I am interested in the length of appointments ... I though they were all supposed to be for 50 mins but my son gets 25 min ... not sure if that is right ... even if he is bulk billing.

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