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BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Hi everyone!
It’s my first time posting here so apologies if I’m on the wrong thread or make any mistakes. A few years back, I made friends with a girl on the belief we both had BPD and could support each other. It soon became very clear that there were extreme differences in our moods and general MI and later, I was rediagnosed with Avoidant PD. Throughout this ‘friendship,’ her MI has become a drain on me yet I’ve always supported her and treated her as I would anyone else, though often with a little more care and understanding. It’s taken years of therapy for me to learn to overcome my AVPD traits and I’ve slowly built myself up to becoming social again.
This is where the issues come in. Recently, my friend had a full BPD swing and as usual, took out all her issues on me though this time, it seemed with more malicious intent than usual and more irrational behaviour. My words were twisted to fit her side of th story and I cannot cope with her attitude. In the last few weeks I’ve fallen back into my PD and I’m heartbroken. I’m struggling to talk to others, to see myself as someone decent because of how much my friend tore into me.
My life has become hell and I’ve always been taught to confront my issues instead of avoid them since attending therapy. Unfortunately, every time I tried to explain something, she would twist everything and eventually, she took it personally and has set on a course of destroying all my personal friendships and connections, all because of one thing I did. I confided in her and told her some issues I was having with another friend and she took that as me backstabbing, when I just needed to talk about it, calm down and then be able to talk to the original person later. I understand the fault on my part, as I’m aware that action may have made her believe I would hurt her which is obviously a huge issue with those suffering with BPD.
My question is, is there much point waiting for her to calm down then reattempt building the friendship? It just seem that out disorders will never be compatible, I lack any form of anger and often struggle with any aimed at me, leading me to constantly avoid confrontation and fall back to rock bottom. I’ve actively been in therapy since my diagnosis and work consistently to get over or at least, manage my disorder. My friend is 30, received her diagnosis 5 years ago and refuses to attempt to change. I can admit my faults, being overly sensitive and willing to take all the criticism drives her, it seems, but when I stand up for myself, she starts a ‘holier than thou’ tirade that makes me tired and scared of her. So I stick to people with a calmer approach to everything? Avoidant PD is also very tiring and seems to be on the same level as a BPD’s emotional range but instead of experiencing the anger/outbursts/etc, that side of emotions is hugely lacking.

Sorry for the long post. Any advice, especially from those with personal experiences with a BPD friend, would be appreciated. Or any AVPD sufferers who can give advice on people they thrive around the most. I just want to be happy and stop feeling so negative. And apologies if I’ve accidentally offended anyone, absolutely not my intention!

Thanks 🙂

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In response to: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Hi @Avoidantkjs

This is the right place to write your experience and stories and I am glad you have shared and welcome you to the Forum Family

To answer your question about your friend with BPD - you are a very loyal friend to stick with her as she suffers and indeed I understand - causes you to suffer too - my son had BDP and it is very hard -

I saw a programme on TV last night that went into the death of a young and very talented singer who had BDP and I learned more about the condition and abandonment is one which is something you are struggling with and it is very hard - I found no amount of reassurance could convince my son I loved him - his birth-mother had him taken from her at birth and although many adopted people get along well in life it is a major issue for someone like my son - like your friend

So I guess you need to make a decision about your own needs and if you can help your friend and stick with either on your self for your own sake or sticking with her and you might quesion your decision to stay with her but once you leave her - you must for you own sake stay away

So from my own experience this is so hard for both of you and I must say that your even thinking through this and reaching out shows a sympathetic and genuine person I would be really happy to know

For my son his other issues - off the top of my head - substance-abuse, self-harm and suicide ideation and suicide attempts, poor self-esteem, unncontrolled rages, increasing criminal behaviour, vandalism, irrational mood disorders and total inability to see someone else's need for space and boundaries - in fact I thought Borderline meant he couldn't see other people's borders.

You can look this up in the Forum's FAQ sheets or on the internet - there are many facets to this unkind and unforgiving condition - a person needs to have 5 to be diagnosed - they vary though - and not just in sub-structure but intensity

So - I lived close to this from my son's early child-hood until his death - I was committed and did not see I had a choice about leaving him - in fact I did not have a dx for a long time - so all I can really suggest is that you look within yourself and consider your own health and strength about it - or seek advice from a professional

There are people here with BDP and the presentation varies - other people wilk be abie to give you insight into being a person with BDP - I can only give you what I knew a long time ago when people did not see that my son had an Mental Illness - I got the dx post-mortem from a pyschologist who did this kind of research and she helped me a lot but it was too late for him - but on the other hard - I do have insight into the condition I could never had otherwise

Stick with the Forum - there are many people who will be able to give you suggestions

Your post is not too long - it is very clear and I am glad you have found us

Dec

In response to: Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

@Owlunarthank you so much for getting back to me and im sorry to hear about your loss. I admire your strength for sticking by your son and providing as much love as you could for someone so troubled.

The symptoms your son experienced sound very similar to my friend, though she no longer suffers with self harm in a general sense, though I know drinking and some of her behaviours could count towards that. To a degree, I can relate to that of a BPD sufferer, I was originally diagnosed with such during a mental breakdown i experienced and the volatile emotions and inability to experience stable moods, suicidal ideation, self harm, etc, certainly lead professionals to believe I suffered from such, so if thats how they generally live day to day, the torment must be awful.

I think the reason I struggle so much is, even though my friend knows of my disorders, she will quite often use her BPD as a reason to belittle me or say my disorder is nothing to compared to hers and I will never understand how she feels. Many of the symptoms of AVPD and BPD are similar, abandonment, emotional instability, etc though a bpd will push and pull whereas an avoidant just... avoids, as the name suggests. Every fibre in my body is telling me to leave but the side that I cannot let go is how much I do care for her. I think I mainly wrote this post out of frustration for feeling so alone in this situation. I don't want to talk to those who don't understand BPD, as her actions could be seen as extremely cruel to anyone who doesnt understand, which is why im reluctant to go elsewhere. It's why i'm also nervous for her to continue her rampage because, upon realising it's her bpd acting up, standing up for myself will either hurt her by having to express my views on her disorder (which im sure she will see as manipulation or guilt tripping her over her disorder, something im very aware she is fearful of) or backing off will result in many people seeing myself as the bad person. Something an avpd sufferer dreads.

It's certainly a difficult situation. Half of me wants to wait for her to get in touch, the other half wants to sever all connections and let this situation play out. Very tiring and I can't help but feel, being 7 years younger, I shouldn't be having to deal with her emotions still and her expecting me to be 'more mature' than her, as she has stated.

In response to: Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Hi @Avoidantkjs

Unfortunately no one can make up your mind for you about this but I think what you are looking for is insight into a really troubled individual with whom you have some commitment - and this is really hard and I know

It's very hard with some cases of BPD to know if what they are doing is caused by their illness or is bad behaviour. It can seem to be very manipulating and if the other person is the dominant personality as it seems in your case - then you do have to think of your own well-being - actually we all do -

So you do need to think about everything - and make a list of pros and cons and be careful where you leave it - although I get you are not in contact with your friend atm - you will find that kind of evidence flammable I am sure - the smallest slight could send my son off - and it seems to me when I read your post that I am almost reading my own story

So here are two points - one for - one against

If you tell your friend it's over between you and admit your own failure here - that it's too much for you - your health is suffering - your nerves are shattered - the idea is not to tell her that her behaviour is bad but rather her behaviour is past what you can cope with - and then the hard part - you have to maintain that - and yes - she will see it as abandonment - she will see your problems as less than - and no one can ever know the depths of someone else's feelings or the effects of their MI or inner life.

It has to be over for good - and I did not do that with my son - but I did practise Tough Love - there were boundaries over which I would not step - one was he could not have alcohol in our house - he was under-age and under-age children were often present when he had turned 16

So maintaining your relationship means those boundaries must be respected - and I wonder how long she can put up with that - but you have every right to have your privacy and have her respect you as a person also

It won't be at all easy - this I know only too well - keep writing - I am happy to help you out here and other people will find you pretty soon too

Things can be quiet over the weekends sometimes but you never know - it can get very busy as well

All the best and catch up later

Dec

In response to: Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Re: BPD advice needed for an Avoidant PD sufferer

Hi @Avoidantkjs

Welcome to the forums 🙂

I can hear how exhausted you're feeling in relation to your friendship. It feels for you like there are some really big differences in how you both cope with things and that can place stress on the friendship for sure.

I think @Owlunar made some really useful comments there about reflecting on your needs - particularly in relation to your own self care - and figuring out whether it's possible to be in the friendship while also looking after yourself. If you're still connected with a counsellor, it could be useful to explore this further with them.

There are lots of members on our forums who have a lived experience of BPD or support a friend or family member living with BPD. You might like to search both the Carers and Lived Experience forums for similar threads. Here are a few you might relate to:

Close friend to someone living with BPD

Tips for family and friends

Seeking advice to help a friend with BPD

If you feel comfortable to do so, you can introduce yourself to our lived experience forum here and/or our carers community here.Great to have you on the forums @Avoidantkjs. Look forward to seeing you around 🐨

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