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Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Son, 31, drops things on the floor and doesn't ever pick thm up. I come home from work (he doesn't work)at 10 pm and have to clean my way to a space in the kitchen. Things that fell on the floor (and thats cutlery, food, bandaids,whatever) stays on the floor, piles of dishes in the sink, food sccraps scattered, dirty dishes mixed with clean in the dish rack, You get th idea. When I ever approach him about it, he says:"OMG. So, you've never hard of depression? Maybe you need to go do research. Not cleaning is a symptom. "This has been a long time and it's worsening. I am working full time and getting older. my health is not good, but even though he knows that, he doesn't help, even if I specifically ask.even when I'd been in hospital all night sick and in work all the following day, I came home to the same thing, after asking just to please leave the kitchen clean. BTW, he had clearly managed to go shopping that day

Sicknss or exploitation?

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In response to: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Hi Sharona,

Wow that sounds like a lot of stress put on you, having to do everything around the house AND work to pay the bills. And it's definitely not going to make your physical health any better.
Hmmm... sounds like he could be trying to get out of helping out around the house... if it has been going on for a long time.
Are there any rules or boundaries set in place for him?

This website is quite a good read for people with depression and cleaning the house, gives some good tips on how to make it easier for themselves. click HERE

You might find THIS post by @KDOtrying helpful and insighful as they too have had to cope with a loved one with depression and having to do evereything around the house (read the following comments too)

The comments to THIS post might also be helpful (read @Brodie's post with how she gets her husband to do more around the house)

As well as caring for your son, you also need to care for yourself. Take some time out and make sure you do things that you enjoy. Hopefully your son starts to help you out a bit more, would take a huge weight off you!

Take care Sharona,

Zahlia

In response to: Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

I just looked at some of your earlier post @sharona.

I hope I am not out of order but I will just give my gut reaction and please take it or leave it.. no offense intended.

I have a 23 old son and I am trying to make sure that he doesnt develop in that way. I tried to limit his mess with a refusal to cook unless all dishes were picked up and returned to sink. He knows that I would have stuck to my guns and just fed myself or eaten out of the house and in the end he picked his dishes up ... nothing left in the cupboards. I tried to use humour but plain no BS talk. He tests me still but it never has gotten that bad ... and he good naturedly laughs and admits he should do more and puts in token efforts. HOWEVER he does not use MI as an excuse. His psychotic episode was a distinctly uncomfortable experience for him and he wants to be well and tries in many different ways.

I can feel your sense of anger and pain about your son and it is sad that it is this way ... I dont know if you can turn it around but you definitely deserve a better home environment that you have worked hard for.

Its hard to face the reality that a child may be manipulating you ... I would clearly call it out ... and take some action.

Its not an ideal solution but I know one woman (a busy high-level professional) living with a young adult son and his live-in partner with a dreadful tale to pull every heart string. Mother was feeling used and felt living in a share house. She actually moved house and down-sized so that there was no longer room for the younger ones. I dont know if she enabled their alternative living arrangements ...

I think it is not surprising that you think you are breaking ... that is serious daily smack in the face ... I dont know if you can help him find a little flat ... and try to do it amicably .. but I would be kicking him out ... sorry to be blunt ... I do believe in the importance of reality testing in mental illness ... and I do believe that the innate altruism that comes with motherhood should NOT necessitate such a level of being taken advantage of.

Most of the I people I have dealt with have had psychotic illnesses ... my diagnosis has been depression ... and you can tell your son from me ... that I have done a bloody lot of cleaning in the last 30 years ... WITH serious severe depression.

It is time for him to grow up ... you helped him get his DSP and can keep an open heart and meals and welcome ...but draw some lines in the sand ...

My brother lived with my mother til he was 33 and it was not good and in the end he suicided because he felt guilty about being rotten to us all ... tell him he has to work on his own self respect and that you will always love him and he has to learn to love himself healthily too.

In response to: Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Appleblossom, You're response was very useful for where I am right now. I am going through my own personal crisis about all this, so if you pick up that I'm stressed and angry, it's because I am, but then I feel guilty and confused because he's ill. I feel exploited at times but every day is so much drama and I think maybe he can't help his behaviour. But lately,he has become incredibly uncaring. He can see that I am ill but won't carry something for me, for example. A few weeks ago, I finally booked a holiday to see my Mum and my brother in NZ.First in a long time. I ended up cancelling it at the last moment, losing all the money and upsetting my family, because he said he had a new condition (physical) and suggested that he was suicidal and that I needed to make " a mature decision" about whether I should leave or not.. I decided at the departure gate that I couldn't go as he has no one else. He never said thank you.

Today,after I wrote that post, I went into the kitchen and bathroom and put up notices with basic house rules written on them. He pretty quickly disobeyed cleaning up the kitchen bench after yourself by leaving dirty cutlery, I put it in the sink and said that was the last time I would do it,and it was.

I think you are right. I feel very stongly that all limits have been passed andI'm being used. Unlike your son, he never admits it, or laughs about it. He obsessively talks about himself in the form of his ill health. He pretty much lives in his room again and might go to the shops but does not socialise at all( except online), so maybe it's hard for him to think about others.

I feel it's not even a choice now. Something has broken in me and I just can't continue like this.

Usually when I try this type of change; aggression, threats and such are close behind. At that point I shut off and give up.

Thistime I will call the police or leave..

I've never understood how we're supposed to do that. It seems an unreasonablething to ask a parent to do,maybe it is. But I can do it now.

I'm scared of leaving because he has nobody: no nonvirtual friends or family here,except me. He has said recently that he feels suicidal or like killing people, that anything is possible now. But I cannot keep being manipulated like this, for two reasons: it's ruining my health and life and I think ultimately it is likeloy just indulging his self obsession. I don't want my son to be a person with no thoughts for anyon else, which at the moment,evn he says he is.

I might be rambling. I'm trying to put pieces together and make my own dcisions and changes. Knowing if all depressed people have no ability to clean up after themselves, always seemed ludicrous

but it's so crazy and confusing living here.

Again, thankyou.

In response to: Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Re: Depression is.........never having to help around the house again.

Glad you are making some stand ... it seems clearly manipulative use of emotional laden language to me ... I am sorry for his suffering but feel indulging it is unlikely to improve things for him.

I had a cousin who was disgusting in his cleanliness habits ... but who grew out of it when he bought his own house and had to trip up over his own mess ... his mother neatly removed herself from the equation and for a long time that family only believed in money. it does help if they have so hopeful or positive thing to hang onto ... can he design websites ... any skills from school times?

Has he been out in the world at all? Does he have a father to visit and help him?

How you set the lines can make a difference .. beyond things getting out of control over petty thins ... it is not the housework that is the issue .. that is just a symptom.

I would say many women/mothers do housework and guys go to work in paid work force with depression. No one can make gaurantees about suicidality once it is firmly entrenched ...

Somehow gender role confusions do have some play in MI. My ex communicated to my son derisively about women's work and so my son has not been lifting a finger in anything traditionally womens work ... but I have been doing all the men's work as well being a single mum for 15 years.

With my son ... I was scared he might spill his anger out on others too (after witnessing my brothers development) ... so my line with son was ... I will always love you but made an explicit statement to him about morality and the law and hypothetically visiting him in gaol every week but that I would be the one to dob him in ... in the meant time I tried everything I could to get him motivated and growing up.

It is part of the problem of pathologising behaviour ... that some will be genuinely be in that position and other's might take the tack your son has ... I am not saying he isnt hurting inside and doesnt deserve his mum's love ... maybe its like weaning them from the breast ... some scream and carry on about it and others just stop ... but eventually they need other sources than mummy. You can still love him in your heart and put in boundaries .. secure your own basic well being ... do what is needed for that ... he is capable of working out lots of individual little solutions to his problems in life as he faces them ... just like our generation did.

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