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Dialogue with Sane forum Forumites

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Hi @chookmojo

When I write : 5 minute space I may have been writing of my own ...... Self ........ I can't take too much in and always need 5 minutes to let my mind re connect with what's happening.

Can't remember everything but that something you are ' diagnosed with' is Autistic spectrum.

But since I've known you, you seem to be highly intelligent .......

I need to just look up something you wrote about your Mum just a tic .....

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Oh forgot ille do it again .....

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Hi @PeppiPatty, cool that you created this discussion. 🙂

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that beautiful stone was my pre birthday present from one of my besties on our Birthday day last week. me and 2 of my oldest dearest friends ....all of our birthdays are about 6 weeks together so every year we have a Birthday day. We buy each other presents and Arlo and my husband are our mascots....

Im going to copy out what you wrote about sibling rivalry.

No I don't have bi-polar - I have at various times been diagnosed with EDs, Social Anxiety Disorder, Generalised Anxiety Disorder, Agoraphobia, PTSD and most recently Autism Spectrum Disorder.

So I am not sure if your question about environemental factors would still apply? For me personally i think most of my anxiety was due to undiagnosed Autism and sensory processing issues combined with an abusive and dysfunctional home environment. As these factors have both always been present I can't disentangle them.

Sibling rivalry. Oh so much! My brother was always my mum's favorite, and she was very overt about this, in part because my father was particualrly abusive towards my brother. Self loathing being about parental love? Hmmmm maybe. More though it was about just not getting ANYTHING right, I just could not do things like a normal person so I always and forever beig told that I was trouble, or a whinger, or needy, or something. Not so much parental love as general acceptance!

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Please forgive for the long copy of your last message.

But it feels like.....with stuff I've encountered and personal.....this is a huge factor in MI.

My mother openly favours my brothers and I confronted her about it a couple of weeks ago. She was furious so I hung the phone up and....waited a few days then rang her again and now it feels like something has turned for the positive.

It feels like your Mother wouldnt be open to this??

But you get healing from your husband?

You are not seomone who I would consider anything but full of nature and a .......I dunno...like.....your home is full...

Makes sense??

I want to think about what you have written about sibling rivalry.

This is something that I have been so ...hurt about for many years.

Ps...look out for my new name!!

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Looking forward to your new name 😀

Love this new thread!

Lj

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Hi @Former-Member
How are you ?
I'm so so much better now I'm on right meds....lol lol
How are you little children ?
I'm definitely going to bed but hope we can speak soon xx

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That sounds like a lovely birthday tradition you and your friends have @PeppiPatty (and that is a very pretty gift! Looks like a Moonstone maybe?). One of my friends has a 'Birthday Buffet' where he schedules out a full day of his favorite activities and lets everyone know when and where he will be all day and people can just turn up and join in with whichever bit is convenient or preferred.That's pretty cool too.

Hmmm I guess I don't know if Mum would have been open to talking about the sibling rivalry and acceptance stuff or any of it really - we never did, though i think she tried a couple of times I was pretty closed off by that point. I was never willing to discuss things within my family, and mum died nearly 10 years ago now. I always felt so responsible for my mum, her life was so hard and I just didn't want to bring her more pain or trouble (but inevitably did), and could never handle talking about 'emotional' stuff or stuff where people would get emotional at me, I preferred to just deal with it on my own.

As an adult now I can see that I was not responsible for her choices or how her life turned out, and that as a child I was doing the best that I knew how to do - so I don't blame myself so much anymore, though I am still sad that her life was so difficult. I find it fascinating and ironic that children feel SO protective of and responsible for their parents well eing, and it is not until you are an adult that you realise what an incredibly disproportional task that is for a child to take on.

I get an incredible amount of support from my husband, and I had never known before how much unconditional support was healing all on its own. It gives you the strength to be. To explore, to learn and to try and even fail without fear that the support and love will be withdrawn. I don't think it is possible to over emphasise how important that is in making you feel safe and strong, supported and independant all at the same time.

You are not seomone who I would consider anything but full of nature and a .......I dunno...like.....your home is full...

I think I know what you mean, or at least I get the feeling of it, and I take it as a huge compliment

The sibling rivalry is so very interesting. In my family my father was generally feared and disliked, yet I was 'daddy's favorite' and always being told I was 'so like your father' (well aware that this was emphasised whenever I was showing negative traits). I was desperate for my mum to approve of me more even though I knew she did love me. My brother was far and away her favorite - her first born and also she was trying to compensate for how unfair on him my dad was. I saw the justice of that, but it was very hard to alwasy be second best, especially under the circumstances that developed later.

These days my mum is dead, and my brother is much... well I hesitate to say closer, but in much more contact with my dad than I am. They continue to have a very antagonistic relationship, and my brother continues to desperately try to prove his worth and win my father's love - I think Dad does love him but is unable to show it in a way my brother can recieve and vice versa. It's like they each have tailor made blinders on where each other is concerned.

It is interesting as Dad has gotten older he has become rather emotional and 'soppy' which I simply find uncomfortable, and my brother has very strong eratic reactions to.

I basically don't have much to do with either of them anymore and am much more distant and frank about things, not emotional at all. I don't argue with him (dad) about things because I don't really care. I don't get offended because I don't really care. If he does something that bothers me I tell him about it, and he processes that and makes changes... as a result we get along rather well, while my brother works himself up into rages of frustration during the same conversations because dad won't take his advice, or agree with a point he is making, or acknowledge all that my brother does for him.

I accepted long ago that Dad was a bottomless pit where money was concerned and told him flat out not to ask for or hint for any more from me as it made me want to avoid him. It has NEVER been raised since and has never been a problem since, meanwhile my brother is constantly buying him things and then getting offended when dad sells them, or demands an upgrade, or complains about them.

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Anyhow...that is enough of my family history for now!!

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Hello @chookmojo

I'm using iPhone but will be on my computer tonight.
If your Mum had an awful life it may make sense that she 'knew,' she was a bad Mum but she did give you a gift.... To choose someone good for you .......
She just couldn't do it.

Couldn't you as a survivor...... Put that in your dialogue when speaking to that 20 year old ? I'm not asking you to jump up and down on the roofs and bellow ' I'm a proud consumer,'
But for you and me to define ourselves better.

These are the words that stand out for me

Undiagnosed Autism sensory processing issues abisive and dysfunctional home environment.
Self loathing
Mum passed away

Asked not to even hint for or flat out not ask for anymore money. As it made me want to avoid him.

I work
Soulmate husband

Can you see where I got to this conclusion ? When my sons were young ..... I would teach them how to deal with girls / women.
They are both on their own now, it doesn't mean I don't miss them

do you see what I'm writing ?

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Hey @PeppiPatty,

Just to be clear, I don't think my mum was a 'a bad mum' any more than I think I was a 'bad' child (hah! What a turn around!) though she might have thought so about herself. I think she was just someone who was in an abusive relationship from the age of 16 and was doing the best she could with the resources she thought she had (At my age she had a troubled teenaged daughter and a 22 year old sun). She really blossomed after dad left her.

I can say that dad was an abusive husband and father (to my siblings) but he was also the product of an abusive childhood and home and was also doing the best he could with the resources he thought he had. I am pleased to say his current marriage seems to be going a lot better.

Hmmmm my version of the letter is written the way I would write it - I am sure there are many different ways to write that kind of letter and that one was mine (weird overtones of Apocalypse Now). But I can see that one might want to define the source of this advice more clearly, give a context to the words.... as I was mentally writing it to 20 year old 'me' I just kind of took that context as 'read'.

It's great that you taught your sons how to relate to women.

How our parents relate to other people is our first model of adult relationships and shapes so much that we pick up unconsciously and apply in our own lives (eg I have had an appalling tendency of choosing super selfish men who like to sponge money and treat me like crap).

I am lucky that my hubs had a RIDICULOUSLY wonderful model in his parents - it goes a long way to making up for my own model.

I have to admit I kind of lost you towards the end...not sure what conclusion you got to?

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Yep apologies @chookmojo I've just come home from work and was tired ..🔮 Perception plus to you because I knew ending was pretty useless ..... Ille get back
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