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My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

@outlander@Phoenix_Rising@Sans911@Faith-and-Hope @Former-Member @Former-Member @Former-Member @Former-Member @AnnieJ @Evangeline @TAB @Shaz51

Hi all

I have been meaning to do this for a while now but I haven't really been able to articulate what is going on in my mind and how to explain it. But I guess it is best to just get all of it down and out there so it's not in my mind anymore.

If I have tagged you in this it is because we have spoken at some point in the past about things and i feel like you are part of my experience on SANE forums. So welcome.

This is a very long post so please stick it out.

I actually realised the other day that I haven't actually given much of an explanation about my experience with mental illness on these forums. I guess I never really found it necessary to do so. I think that has changed as I have gotten further along in my journey.

I was originally diagnosed in 2012, about mid way through the year. I was told I had depression after doing the DAS test/score system. I was put on medication as well.

I finished school in 2011 and subsequently signed up for a degree in 2012 that I ended up deferring and never going back to because I hated the university and hated the degree.

For the second part of 2012 I basically did very little.

I went back to uni in 2013 to do a BA and I am about to finish it in the next month or so.

throughout the course of the past 5 years I have struggled immensely with my mental health.. I have been suicidal and also been through different therapists and medications and also a few hospital visits whereupon they said i didnt have to be there because i wasn't overly at risk.

The past month or so has been very interesting to be perfectly honest. I have had to reflect on A LOT of my early childhood experiences and why they have impacted me in a certain way over my life.

I was bullied as a little kid, made to change schools in year 5 and also made to adjust to my sister's ill health as well. These are 3 experiences that have impacted my growth and development as a human I would say. I think they impacted my ability to see positives and also persevere. I must admit that it is indeed hard to see the bright side on some occassions.

I am now 24 and take 2 types of medication along with regular visits to my psychologist. I am still coming to terms with my diagnosis and condition. Often I ignore it and try to find another reason as to why I feel the way I do. This is very hard when I try to explain it to people.

I guess I have also experienced stigma as a result of my illness - whether or not it was intended doesn't matter too much tbh. I have withdrawn from people and avoided certain situations (be they social or work related). This also explains why I have struggled to become financially stable. I still don't have a part time job anywhere because of my mental health - not that it impacts my actual ability to perform tasks but because the way i view myself (very badly) holds me back from trying, persevering and implementing strategies to improve my situation. The tough love approach or fake it til i make it exhausts the shit out of me and simply does not work.

I fimly believe this is a trend that has occurred over the years and has really started to ingrain itself in my life - in many facets.

I have never had a girlfriend or any romantic relationship and this certainly bothers me. It bothers me for 2 reasons. Firstly, I want to feel accepted and loved in the context of romance because I believe this is something that makes life worthwhile. Secondly, it bothers me because more and more and more people around me (be they family or friends) seem to be able to find partners. I have tried over the years to get somewhere with people but it always ends up going nowhere and I can really only say that this occurs because I must do something, give off some vibe, or say something that turns people away. I probably do it without realising it. The scales are tipped differently for males when it comes to this sort of thing - it is weird or bad if you are a virgin male at the age of 24. Not so if you are female. That is the way that mainstream society and culture operate. It is evident in all aspects. However, the fact I don't fit in with that ISN'T what bothers me. What bothers me is the missing out on genuine connection, the fact that those around seem to be okay and finding their ground in life.

I am averse to showing too much of myself to new people as a result of being bullied, being thrown in the deep end and also failing in front of many people. This fear I have is informed by experience - not an irrational phobia. I was once afraid of dogs and had no reason to be - the solution was to get a dog and it worked wonders. What I had there was an irrational phobia. This situation is very different to the one I am in now.

There are a couple of experiences that I need to share in order to process this more too:

- Growing up I was quite religious. This wasn't forced or pushed on me in any way, shape or form. I came to know it via school. My folks sent me to a christian school because it was a good school. That's all. But what happened was that I took the religion seriously - becuase it was taught seriously. It WAS the truth. It was REALITY. It was REAL. No negotiation over that. This then meant I started to go to bible study and church and youth group a lot. This negatively impacted my self esteem as I was constantly told that I was undeserving of 'gods love'. It has no doubt played an intergral part in the way I view myself. Love and acceptance were part of this message I was taught, but it was always criss crossed with judgement and damnation. Those two things are not reconcilable in my mind - not in any moral sense anyway. The experience itself probably looked normal and healthy, but on the inside it did a lot of damage

- I would often meet with a religious figure who worked at the school i went to as well as being a member of the same church. I will refer to him as 'person a'. Person A was a revered figure in both the school and the church. He never abused me sexually and I need to say that here. I firmly believe however, that he did indeed abuse me emotionally and I was simply unaware of it at the time - because i believed what i was doing was right, true and honourable (gods will in other words). Growing up as a teenage boy means sex is something that is constantly on the mind. Welcome to puberty right? Well I would always have to bring this up with him because the religious element of my development as a young male. I remember distinctly being told that I had to get a grip on it otherwise i would be controlled by it and be led down a bad path. I was scared and also very judgemental on myself. I also believe this is why my sex life is non-existant at the age of 24 and why i struggle with any form of intimacy. There is a stigma associated with male virginity and i think part of it stems from the inability to be intimate. I quit religion despite doing a confirmation in year 12 and am now agnostic/atheist. I don't believe in an interventionist god and this isn't because of negative experience but because the central claims are nonsense in my mind and make very little sense when analysed critically.

- I was part of the band in my high school. This was a positive experience for the most part, however i have memories of the band instructor singling me out telling me that i had to pull my socks up because i wasn't good enough. I always felt as if I didn't belong in the band program. I remember before year 12 started, about considering dropping band altogether to try to focus on my HSC. I think it was better from a point of hindsight to stay because it distracted me from a lof the other crap that was going in my mind at that point. I also remember some of the other students in the band talking about me from a distance and seeing them do it on occassions. I was always treated differently. Even by those i thought were friends. Nevertheless, by the stroke of luck i actually saw this band conductor one day at my uni because he was on a school tour. I thought about saying hello but then I couldn't be bothered. Why should I even bother talking to someone who clearly didn't think I should've been in the band? He was a charasmatic teacher and was able to earn the respect of parents, teachers and students alike. I still shook his hand on the last day of school and thanked for his efforts because it helped me have a love for music. I was the only one in the jazz band to never receive an award for effort or improvement or anything. I got over that long ago, but I think about it sometimes.. reminds me how bad it was in my mind at that time. Nevertheless, at the start of this year I tried getting involved in the band program at my uni but then had to quit because i had too many memories of a hard childhood experience in music. I needed to play a part on my own and i did relatively okay at it but it was exhausting. Music is still however, a passion of mine and that has not changed at all.

- Team sport is basically non-existent in my life. I always struggled to fit in with teams. I never knew what or how to play the sports in a way that was good or normal. I remember being dragged to alot of the events by my folks because they were probably just doing it out of a sense of normality. Because it's the done thing. I remember flat out refusing to get my photo taken at AFL because i hated it so much. This is the case with all team sports. The closest thing I came to was reffing soccer because i could get money for that, even still there were still some instances were i came home in tears (even as a 21 year old male) where i would constantly beat myself up for how i reffed (because the players gave me all sorts of grief for bad calls). But it was more than just being mouthed off at by soccer players, it would take me back to a place where I have often found myself growing up (fear). Fear of judgement, fear of failure, fear of lack of respect, fear of condemnation. A common theme. I would look at myself on these days and realise just how pathetic I was - that reffing was my income and that I was a loser who never knew how to get laid or do anything right.

I think Ive said a lot and I honestly don't think that I've touched on a lot of it. I feel like I've briefly mentioned stuff. But that's the reality of my predicament I guess. I don't want sympathy and I don't want pity. I just want to be normal. On the outside I probably do look normal. But on the inside there is pain, anguish and torture. But over 5 years I have had to adapt and adjust to it. I've been through therapists like underwear and been on different meds and been to hospital (one time being admitted) and I don't really care.

This month has been wild for me. This whole year has in fact. I've lost a lot of people. It's hard and this forum will need to be a form of outreach to be honest.

Anyway. I will leave it there. I wanted to share this with you so that there is a common place in which I can share and come back to with a steady group of people on these forums - that's what i need, rather than just checking in randomly on other threads.

Thanks 🙂

Sharing all that was very hard.

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

Your attitude now compared to a couple of months ago is much more positive @MDT I believe that you have so much to offer in this world and the more confident you become within yourself the more things will fall into place.

Dating is hard for anyone - I think it is especially hard these days with dating apps - you don't meet for the first time face to face and it is often in those first meetings you are attracted to someone for whatever reason - it may be the way they speak about what they are passionate about or the way their hair blows in a breeze - it is often not solely on the way someone looks that gives you the courage to introduce yourself and get to know them - those non-verbal cues are missing on dating apps.

I love hearing about the new book or article you have read and how you continually try to 'better yourself'. You are doing so much positive in your life and you should be applauded for that

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

That's well said @Zoe7
Its funny because I've experienced that when I've met a cute girl for the first time or similar. A distinctly human trait I think.
I'll. Keep going to meetups. There are one or two good looking girls there on occasion haha. I think I need a bit more courage to do something. Hard after all this crap I've mbeen through.
Well sis is off for her test finally. I'm gonna go once she gets back. Home for a drink I think.

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

There is so much more you pick up on in face to face human interactions @MDT You will find the courage buddy - you are definitely moving in the right direction. The prouder you are with the things you are achieving the more confident you will become within yourself

Good that your sister is finally off for her test. You certainly deserve a break for yourelf today so going home and doing something nice for yourself is a good idea - you have been such a wonderful support for your sister over the last 24 hours.

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

She's my sister @Zoe7
I'd do anything. We are good mates. Ever since her tumour it's been rough riding for her. Forcing us to mature. Possibly part of the reason why I've been depressed - having to mature earlier on can be hard amongst peer groups leading to a sense of disharmony.

Yeh I think so too Zoe. I just gotta keep on keeping on. Honestly might just jump on a damn plane to the US lol. Go visit it before China next year.

"It is a far far better thing than I have ever done, it is a far far greater rest that I go to than I ever known"

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

Experiences like that you faced with your sister being unwell does force you to deal with things no-one should have @MDT - those things either bring us closer or tear us apart but the internal conflict often remains! There is no wonder you have had to deal with depression yourself but you are doing much better than you were even a few weeks ago - understandably this latest issue with your sister has rattled you a little.

If you can afford it then it may not just be a dream to visit the US buddy - sometimes we need to do these things for ourselves. The job in China is a huge commitment so having a little fun beforehand is maybe what you need

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

@Sophia1 Here you go mate.
Might have to read over a few pages to see what's happened.
Hope you enjoy your day

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

@MDT How is your sister? ...and how are you today?

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

hey @Zoe7

She's alright yeah. Just organising her study I think. Not sure. But back to normality I guess whatever that is lol

I'm okay yeh. I've been doing some reading (cue "oh dear"). Specifically on relationships, intimacy and anxiety.

After the couple of dates I went on, I noticed I was a lot more confident. Like a lot. I was wondering if this came off as "too confident" or "too assertive" and I'm wondering what this means for my future.

At the age of 24, nearly 25 in a month I am just confused. Not totally disillusioned, but definitely confused. It's nearing disillusioned though.

My dating history has improved and that has helped me a tiny bit. I think I expected it to help me more, develop more confidence and develop more "machismo". It hasn't. It's not to say that it's done the opposite, but it is to say that it's done less than I thought.

My next thought is whether or not I actually want a relationship. I actually don't. Not at this point. I think I honestly want to experiment more. I think the religious experience really screwed up my view on sexuality. Like REALLY. Being told sex was ONLY for marriage, that I was sinful etc really screwed with my self-esteem and self worth.

It's not that being a virgin bothers me. What actually bothers me is the lack of exposure to what everyone else is doing - making me feel less normal. That of course means I feel worse. It's not to say that having sex finally will make me normal, but I must admit that is does bother me and screw with my mind.

I'm not the outgoing type - at least not with people who I've grown up with. Case in point last night, I think they went out somewhere but I wasn't keen. I find that I'm not keen generally, but that I'm also more likely to go out if I like the people and enjoy being out with them in that sort of place.

I can't ignore the fact that going up to a stranger is hard. I'm always worried I will intimidate the girl, because of my height. Not to mention the cultural attack on masculinity (which is justified under the guise of feminism). Two very different things. More on that later maybe.

I'm not even sure if you are the right person to chat to lol. Anyway, that's what is on my mind at this point.

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Re: My Story and where to from here.. (very personal)

wow @MDT you have been thinking a lot buddy. I am not sure if I am the right person to talk to either lol - but happy to listen

I think any relatioship whether it be a friendship or something more has to be based on trust @MDT and that is a 2 way street. That goes for trusting that any situation you put yourself in that you will be comfortable with - both in a dating sense and going out to do something with friends.

I know you worry about your age and things you have/have not experienced so far in your life but sometimes these things just aren't right until they are - go easy on yourself there buddy - when the time and person is right you will know. If you feel like you are not ready for a relationship then continue dating as you have been - you may 'come across' the right person that you really click with and then the relationship will develop more easily - in the meantime simply enjoy the company of those you are meeting - if nothing else you may make new friends. Life is so unpredictable that only by opening yourself up to these experiences can you truly live them @MDT - words that I struggle to live by myself but I am trying!

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True @Zoe7

I was thinking before while I was getting something to eat about what I need to do for my life

the first priority is do my TESOL, the second priority is to travel

Work? I'm tutoring and speaking about mental health. It's something I'll do til I go to China.

I think the whole relationships things is just hanging over my head.... Not sure what I can do about it.

I tried to speak with someone on beyondblue chat but that isn't working

My psych is on holiday for the next month so that's hard. Might ring up tomorrow and see if I can get in to see him between now and before he goes away.

Once again, this whole topic is creating a problem for me
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