Night Shift

I understand @Snuchu - people have to be there in one way or another - to know

Juvey here back in the 1980s was a High Security Facility and it was a terrible place - and some boys/ young men in there was for no other reason than they were State Wards and had no family

Aw - it is a horrible nightmare - I warned and warned him that he would end up in Pentridge which used to be a main high security prison here - and I told him I didn't want to visit him there - but he did not live that long

He tried to ki ll someone too - one of his school teachers - the list of charges went on forever - but basically - assault with a deadly weapon with intent, in company and while intoxicated.

I will never know exactly what was wrong with him - but he was very likely to have been an alcohlic - or heading that way - and the story is complex -

But I will never judge - we can never judge successfully - how can we know what motivates people

You have had a tough life @Snuchu

Decadian

I think you hit the nail on the head @plasmo one of the key healthy aspects of good hobbies .. is being able to share them with someone .. somehow.. it almost doesnt matter what it is .. but it has to mean something to you.

I am okay @Appleblossom - I slept early in the evening - and I am wide awake now

Pentridge was a horrible place - it must have been really hard for you to visit your brother there

I grew up not far from there - north of the city - and it looked like a Castle - weird - and if we could get to high ground we could see over the wall to where the prisoners were working the farm

I really feel for you about your brother - I am glad I never went there -

Decadian

@plasmohobbies can also be a distraction .. a way to learn things .. can become a way of earning money .. a way get to know people ... my son used to do the large slabs of information thing ..couldnt get a word in for hours ... but he has learned to relate in shorter bits too ... so there is a bit more back and forth and it isnt all one sided .. is that you are trying to do?

@DecadianVisiting my brother was a long time ago .. he killed his exes dog ... which is a horrible and shocking thing .. but my brother also used to really love dogs when he was a boy .. we never had pets .. as we were too poor .. ie not enough to feed and clothe humans .. even in Australia

I didnt judge back then .. and dont now .. he ended up hurting himself more than anything and died 20 years ago now.

now I am abit cross at times .. as I know how he felt .. I started to feel jealous of the dog .. but would have turned it in on me .. it was really important I left relationship .. but you know that ..

@Snuchu do you have any hobbies?

@Appleblossom

People who hurt other people - intentionally or not - end up hurting themselves in a far more subtle and terribly way - and also - there is colleratal damage - other people get caught in the web too

That was a terrible thing your brother did - I can't understand behaviour like that

I never want to be on a jury - I never have been - or a solicitor either and certainly not a judge

When I had to swear an oath to thell the truth, the whole truth and but the truth I did so swear - but then I said "But I don't know the whole truth?"

Who can? I guess our society has to make judgments on our behalf - but I have had enough of my part in th courts

Decadian

Thats kind of what I picked up on @plasmo .. but I also could hear your humour and irony .. so it wasnt rude ... just short .. I know I personally struggled with .. being short but not sharp etc etc .. or just an internal to pressure to talk and talk .. eg .. in counselling .. maybe worse than my son .. so who was i to judge .. I knew that.

I have really appreciated the company tonight .. I am going to try and get a bit of writing done and a few hours sleep

Thanks all .. hope you have a good day