FORUMS

Connect with people who understand what you are going through, seek advice and surround yourself with support. We're free, anonymous, and professionally moderated 24/7.

  • 47,612Members
  • 1,358,869Posts
  • 1,400,000Visitors
Friends, families and carers

The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

I have just recently been subject to a barrage of advice from individuals who clearly do not understand depression. Depression as I have come to know varies and exists on a spectrum. There are many different types of depression, however, those that have not intimately experienced a severe clinical depression, exhibit a glib and superficial understanding of it, and often can offer words of support/advice which could potetentially make the situation worse.

My son suffers from clinical depression which over the past 12 months has wavered between severe and severe/moderate in intensity. This presents itself as a young person who does not want to engage in life, who can barely wake up each day (let alone get up), who at times is so frustrated and angry that he becomes hostile, aggressive and very oppositional, who has thought of ending his lfe and who fundametally is very difficult to manage.

It's natural for people like myself to seek support from people that are "close". However, I have found that their advice often displays a complete lack of understanding about the nature of clinical depression and is exactly what one shouldn't do.

The average person relates "depression" to the situational depression that they have experienced in their life. How many times have I heard, "I know what you're talking about. I've been there when xx happened, etc".

I'm sorry, but what my son is experiencing is very different to their experience. This is not a situational depression that remits or decreases according to the external environment. This is a different type of depression and one which is much more severe and harder to treat.

So what I find happens is that they give advice based on their own experience and in keeping with their own ideology about how to handle and raise a teenager. They pummel me with advice, which tends to assert that I'm weak and being taken for a ride by a manipulative teenager. The advice they give is often the hard line approach: take his priveleges away; make him do this and that; don't let him get one over you; he needs to learn what life is all about; send him to my place and I'll sort him out; you need to take away xx and xx and make his life so miserable that he will want to get out; he's manipulating you; take his computer away; get him to do some work and earn his keep; make him do this and that, and on and on it goes. In response to his sucidal ideations and threats I've received comments that suggest that this is the ultimate manipulation; that if he was really suicidal he wouldn't tell me, he'd just do it; that he knows he'll ellicit a big reaction out of me by saying that and that it is not genuine, etc, etc.

What then happens is that they cast doubt into my mind about the way I'm managing him and also whether he is bona fide.or whether I'm being taken for a ride. Instead of helping, they unknowingly add another level of complexity which then makes me question whether I'm doing the right thing or not, and/or being extremely naive and just not seeing things clearly. Fortunately I have not allowed myself to be swayed by their comments.

What this illustrates to me is that although we require support, we have to be very careful about the support and advice we receive. I've not followed the advice given because i believe that it would be contraindicated and could potentially exacerbate my son's depression. I'm wise enough now (finally) to not take their comments to heart and let them define who and what I am, or question my actions (despite the doubts they cast). Thankfully due to years of intense emotional work I'm not as vulnerable as I used to be, however, I dread to think what impact these comments would have had if I were not so "emotionally mature" (big pinch of salt with that statment). Any vulnerable person could easily be swayed into adopting the mindset of these so-called hepful individuals. I shudder to think what the outcome would be if this were the case.

It makes me wonder about how good and/or bad "unprofessional" and uneducated support can be when dealing with mental illness. Advice received from people who do not have a good understanding and knowledge could potentially be very harmful to both the individual seeking support, and to the person suffering with a mental illness.

So the summary of what I'm saying is that supportive advice must come from people who have knowlegde, insight and understanding, Reaching out to those that are closest to us for advice must be done with caution and a healthy level of self-confidence and knowlege.

After what I've been through, both internally and externally, I would be the first person to advocate for psychology to be introduced into schools so that future gererations grow and learn to understand that humans have this diversity. I can't wait for the day when everyone understands that people (humans) can get sick mentally as well as physically and that this is what makes up the human condition. Loads of empathy gets ellicited for anyone suffering from a physical disease (e.g. cancer or the like), but when any mental affliction comes into the equation people steer clear and display a lack of empathy and insensivity that is not deserved.

I've had my offloading rant now and feel better. Sorry xx

Janna ❤️

18 replies

11 - 18 of 18

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

@Alicia It is challenging when our so-called friends offer advice from a perspective that clearly illustrates their lack of insight and knowledge towards mental health issues, combined with a lack of intimate knowledge of the situation. It is OK to get angry with people (best friends and all).It is frustrating, invalidating, and all the rest ....and rightfully so. The thing that is most important is to believe in your own judgement. I have found myself asking friends for advice in which I have already formulated answers/decisions. I think I'm looking for external validation because of my lack of confidence with my own judgements. When they don't collaborate with my ideas/solutions it sets me off into wondering whether I'm right or wrong or whatever. I really should know better than to seek advice from people who have no lived experience with mental health issues. That is where this forum comes in. We speak the same languange and understand.

I'm so glad that my post struck a chord with you. That's what this is all about.

Janna ❤️

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

@Janna I've really like reading you messages .... Esp the grouchy ones ! You speak my language ! In my years of being told what to do and who and how I've learned to support myself has pretty much been .........because of the absolute refusal by my parents to give me a break on criticising me.
Because I've always been interested in the unconscious I very fortunate decided therapy from a young age.
Nowadays I always think a bit of anger doesn't go astray or ...... A dose of reality to some people though. I'm nearing 50 years old and my mum enjoys raving on and on about my brothers parenting skills and then there's silence.

I rang her the other day and I picked her up on some bad parenting stuff about me and I rang her and said no your not right don't be like that with me and now I'm busy see you next week.
Then I call my Psychotherapist and make an appointment
I' Ve got to stay strong. I've had some ' friends just have NO idea how to.help you just ........ Make up your own decisions ...... Judgements ( she's done it to herself poor son, she's already mad ...... Mainly because these people are so defended about themselves 🍦Here eat a yummy cake with me 🍧🍤🍩🍮🍯🍨🍧🍦🍰🍹🍸

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Hi @NikNik
It is like a place that you are heard and your advice is validated

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Thanks Appleblossom. I am finding it great to express my feelings on this forum. It does feel like a safe place because everyone has similar experiences.
It's tempting to talk to friends about stuff because that's what friends do - confide! I do still give updates but try to keep it short and to connect with my friends over other things (when I can remember what they are! ) However, during my sleepless nights I sometimes have those circular conversations with a person I feel has been dismissive - and then I say everything that makes me angry - a sort of silent self expression. . This is definitely NOT conducive for sleep though. Probably I should write a journal - but it seems so repetitive. My handwriting is terrible, but writing on the computer seems so permanent!

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Thanks Janna, yes I've noticed that I use people as sounding boards for something I've already decided about. I do it less now coz I'm quite sick of thinking and talking about it. Maybe the hardest thing is unsolicited advice. Some people feel they have their lives totally 'in control' and are threatened when they view my family. Maybe they want to reassure themselves it won't happen in their family. These are the people I find patronising and dismissive. Just recognising that helps. Im appreciating this forum.

In response to: Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

I have journalled on paper and on hard drive ... I guess its still there for me to trawl through one day ... yet computers just seem "official" in reality one delete can get rid of a lot ...

glad there is some benefit for you @Alicia

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Thanks for your reply. It is good to let out anger.
I had a very difficult relationship with my mum, years of insistent criticism. She had a traumatic childhood and was a closet alcoholic dying of liver failure eventually.
She only told me about her childhood very late in life.
When she was alive I mostly felt anger and guilt. Now things are in perspective I have empathy for her and realise how lonely and scared she was. My relationship with her would have been better if I had been able to know my own boundaries. So, I suppose knowing when to say 'no' or being able to firmly and gently ( a sarcastic ha ha, as if!) contradict an interfering family member. I think if I had been able to be more confident in myself and - that old word - assertive it would have been good for ME without changing the other persons view necessarily.
I think I just raved on again. I appreciate all your posts.
Alicia

In response to: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Re: The Misconceptions and Ill-Advice We Get

Dear @Alicia
Dunno if I've written to you about @Troubled_One but he focus on what matters in his life and he is sorting out when he was confronted with his parents not being good parents when he was younger.

@Alicia you seem like a genuinely kind lady .... It's comforting for me reading your messages.
11 - 18 of 18