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Suicide prevention

THE SILENT ONES

I have had bipolar disorder for 20 years and it is part of my illness that I become depressed - and seriously suicidal – with terrible frequency. As all too many people unfortunately know, it is truly awful to be depressed. For me it is as if the very cells of my body are weighing me down and all the “will power” brain chemicals have vanished overnight. I think of nothing but suicide, day in and day out, for months on end.

I was committed once, 13 years ago, and I live in fear of a recurrence. From the health care “professionals” who invaded my home to take me away, to the heartless nurses, the dismissive doctors and the aggressive fellow patients, it was a nightmare. Possibly things have improved but I was so traumatised by my experience that I still live in fear of a repeat.

It is therefore impossible for me to cry out for help in my depression. This is because everyone who could help – my GP, my psychiatrist, the Mental Health Line, Lifeline, Beyond Blue etc. is mandated to report seriously suicidal people to the authorities so that they can, if deemed necessary, be forcibly taken into care. Given my overriding fear of this, I suffer in silence.

This need for silence is, in my view, tragic and I don’t believe I can be alone. The suicide statistics are frightening and it is my understanding is that an appalling number of the dead (apparently 70%-80%) never even tried to access a mental health service before they died. How many of these people, like me, were forced into silence by a wish to remain outside a system that has the power to commit?

Are those responsible aware of this gaping hole in our suicide prevention services? Are they giving urgent thought to how it might be remedied? It seems to me we need a suicide prevention policy which targets what I call “the silent ones” - the large proportion of the statistics who are suffering – and in many cases dying - in silence.

My idea to address this is to establish a 1800 mental health counselling line which, by legislation, is almost truly anonymous and confidential. A number where the specially trained health care professionals staffing it are not permitted to take action to have a caller committed unless they believe they may be a danger to others - and must instead try to persuade the caller to seek help. If such a telephone service could be established then people like me could call to talk and to listen without fear of committal.

It would take a fair bit of political courage to establish such a telephone line because it could, of course, be argued that it was in some way “allowing” suicide or condoning leaving the mentally ill unattended in the community. But heroin injecting rooms provide an interesting comparison – as a society we do not condone heroin use but harm minimisation steps are taken. I am suggesting something which could be seen as analogous and when one bears in mind that you would be targeting the proportion of the statistics who are presently dying (and suicide has recently overtaken heart disease as Australia’s biggest killer in certain age groups) then, on balance, it does not seem such a bad choice. And perhaps there is a better answer - one which doesn't so radically change the way we treat the mentally ill. The above suggestion is only my off the cuff idea. Don't we have policy experts who could and should be addressing the terrible problem of helping “the silent ones” avoid that so final of solutions - death.

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I agree with you @Rosie1961

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Thank you. I'm so glad someone does as I feel quite passionate about this ie the failure of our mental health system to help so many people.

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@Rosie1961.
Am I understanding your idea correctly? That you are wanting a service you can ring and explain and talk about your thoughts of suicide - only. So it's for people who want help - to not end their lives, but simply reaching out for some help, anonymously. Without fear of being 'picked up' and taken to the public psych ward. Is that right?
I recently had a huge scare of going into the public locked psych ward. Just the thought of being in a place where I might encounter someone like the man who set my Mental Health journey off. I was truly terrified that I would be placed in great danger again - like I was in my workplace 3 years ago. So that fear. That feeling of helplessness and terror. I understand.
My feelings about an anonymous service, is that people generally call a suicide service for help. Those who have already made the decision to die, would not likely use it.
This Forum offers anonymity. Members can freely express how they are feeling. Members can ask for advice on staying safe without having to go to hospital.
My other thought on this is;
Sometimes the earlier we seek help from our gp, psychologist or psychiatrist, the better our chances are of being 'treated' at home.

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@utopia
It is very common for people who have decided to die to reach out for human contact as a last desperate bid for help. To speak to someone who believes them and doesn't just tell them to stop being melodramatic. Innocuous comments such as 'I can't do it anymore' are common and should not be ignored.
If you get the opportunity I strongly recommend attending an ASIST course (Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training).

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Thanks @Kurra

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Rosie1961, I understand your fear, and would like to suggest talking with a Mental Health Worker. We are not able to commit anyone to a Psych ward but are available to listen and help those with Mental Illness on a road to recovery. We understand the road is not always straight and does have its valleys and hills but we are always there to provide any help along the way with any carer or family/friends that you nominate. I have lived experience and work in the industry. Please don’t be silent, one of my aims is to rid our world of this stigma and enjoy open acceptance that we all have mental health issues in our life just like we have physical health issues - hey we all talk about the broken leg or arm we had when we were kids so why can’t we say we have experienced depression on occasions. This can only build community awareness and a society prepared to assist others like when we attend a car accident to help the injured. To this end I am starting to build resilience in our youth and encouraging them to talk about their mental issues. Happy to help where I can Rosie1961.

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Hi @Rosie1961.

I love your idea and think it would be a great, life saving service for we silent ones. I think it is hard for people who don't have constant suicidal thoughts to understand that we know ourselves and our level of danger better than the professionals (or the volunteers). That we can get to the precipice with our toes over the edge, looking down and know that we will probably live to fight another day. We just need to talk it out with someone without fear, without judgement.

I have been sectioned and though it wasn't traumatic it was frustrating and damaging. I almost lost my job and this put me in a worse place that I was to begin with. I think of this everytime I feel suicical and contemplate ringing Lifeline, telling my GP, psychologist or psychiartrist. I do not tell them the truth. I know the "right" answers to their questions to allay their concerns, I know how to step back and cover up if I let slip and say too much. I know this means I will not get the proper treatment but the public mental health system is not the right treatment.

My ex committed suicide after being let go from a public mental health ward, at night, with too much medication. He presented himself as suicidal and they didn't believe him. I and many others have no faith in the system and so we stay silent. And so, like my ex, we die alone.

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Hi I am new and your post resonated so deeply with me. I battle Post traumatic stress disorder and am considered a high suicide risk. I'm lucky to have survived; apparently.
I find myself reluctant at times to call support lines because I cannot count both hands the number of times the police and ambulance have been called and I have been forced into a mental health unit. Usually unable to handle my trauma and often my thoughts of suicide are escalated by this action.
You have my support.

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It's a tough one isnt it. What the professionals think we need, to what we know we need. But services dont provide. Im sure there are many profesionals that would agree. We need change. But it needs to be done in close consultation with the people who are in need of extra support during these very difficult times.

My own experience recently has been negative with the crisis team. Where i could be refered by my psychiatrist and gain assistance within twenty four hours and have the same case manager. For some reason the powers to be have changed the system. Now what hapens it goes to a triage nurse, who contacted me two days later. Who said she would refer me to the crisis team. Heard nothing for another four days. Then had to wait for a team meeting the next day to asign me to a case worker. That person rang me, and we had a talk and said he would ring me in a few day to see how i was. Over two weeks later ive heard nothing! How is that supose to be helpful?. Im told to ring the crisis line (which i have done, only to be put on hold indefinately)

Up untill recently, i found the crisis team very supportive. They would call me during my worse time of day. Ask me how i had spent the day, how i was feeling, what my plans were for the next day. It was a real life line. I felt that someone really cared, and was compasionate toward me. It really kept me going to the next phone call.

The powers to be have changed the system and it clearly doesnt work. I am taking this up with my psychiatrist to see where i can take it to. Its like when they took psychologists out of community health. It let so many people without ongoing help.

I have always had a fear of being taken to hospital against my will.

I am soooo supersensitive to rejection. I feel so guilty about those suicidal thoughts. I am crying out silently for help. But noone hears.

I have often thought if only there was a safe place to go. Somewhere where i could talk out my thoughts without judgement. Somewhere where i could feel accepted as i am at that momentl somewhere to have a coffee. Sounds strange i know.

I really feel there is a big gap in the system. So in my perfect world this is what would hapen.

A drop in centre operating 24hours a day with access to profesional help

A common area with tea/coffee

A quiet area if i want to be alone

Access to resources i.e drs, psychiatrist, psychologist etc

Somewhere i can walk into and talk to a person how i feel 24/7 365 days a year

Somewhere where i can be guided into a action plan. Given some specific stratagies to try.

A place where i can learn new skills like dbt distress tolerance. Voluntary group work where i can connect with other people and we can support each other.

A place where there are volunteers with lived experiance (maybe need some kind of training as well)

What do others think? Would a drop in centre that operated 24/7 work. It would need some profesionals on board. Is this something Sane can take up? Explore the posibility.

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It's a tough one isnt it. What the professionals think we need, to what we know we need. But services dont provide. Im sure there are many profesionals that would agree. We need change. But it needs to be done in close consultation with the people who are in need of extra support during these very difficult times.

My own experience recently has been negative with the crisis team. WheMIIre i could be refered by my psychiatrist and gain assistance within twenty four hours and have the same case manager. For some reason the powers to be have changed the system. Now what hapens it goes to a triage nurse, who contacted me two days later. Who said she would refer me to the crisis team. Heard nothing for another four days. Then had to wait for a team meeting the next day to asign me to a case worker. That person rang me, and we had a talk and said he would ring me in a few day to see how i was. Over two weeks later ive heard nothing! How is that supose to be helpful?. Im told to ring the crisis line (which i have done, only to be put on hold indefinately)

Up untill recently, i found the crisis team very supportive. They would call me during my worse time of day. Ask me how i had spent the day, how i was feeling, what my plans were for the next day. It was a real life line. I felt that someone really cared, and was compasionate toward me. It really kept me going to the next phone call.

The powers to be have changed the system and it clearly doesnt work. I am taking this up with my psychiatrist to see where i can take it to. Its like when they took psychologists out of community health. It let so many people without ongoing help.

I have always had a fear of being taken to hospital against my will.

I am soooo supersensitive to rejection. I feel so guilty about those suicidal thoughts. I am crying out silently for help. But noone hears.

I have often thought if only there was a safe place to go. Somewhere where i could talk out my thoughts without judgement. Somewhere where i could feel accepted as i am at that momentl somewhere to have a coffee. Sounds strange i know.

I really feel there is a big gap in the system. So in my perfect world this is what would hapen.

A drop in centre operating 24hours a day with access to profesional help

A common area with tea/coffee

A quiet area if i want to be alone

Access to resources i.e drs, psychiatrist, psychologist etc

Somewhere i can walk into and talk to a person how i feel 24/7 365 days a year

Somewhere where i can be guided into a action plan. Given some specific stratagies to try.

A place where i can learn new skills like dbt distress tolerance. Voluntary group work where i can connect with other people and we can support each other.

A place where there are volunteers with lived experiance (maybe need some kind of training as well)

What do others think? Would a drop in centre that operated 24/7 work. It would need some profesionals on board. Is this something Sane can take up? Explore the posibility.

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