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I hate that I like myself?

I hate that I like myself?

I'm certainly not a qualified psychologist , and although I have read a bunch of books, like most here probably have, this is pretty much just confused hypothetical musings.

Take it with a full shaker of salt, if you choose to take it at all.

So anyway.
When we are young, as children first interacting with other children and adults, we learn quickly that (even if we don't appreciate the significance at the time), making other people feel good about themselves, makes them like us, and choose/act be our friend.
Or at least pretend to.
Whether it's doing them a favour or making them laugh, acting in a manner to please others is recognised as favourable because when they appear to like you, you feel good, and you like yourself.

(My theory that every human action revolves around a person's desire to feel good about themselves is a whole other story).

Therefore we are programmed from an early age, so thoroughly and subtly that we don't even realise it, that to please others is the core function that facilitates our liking ourselves.

I don't mean boot licking, or always getting crapped on because you try to help or please others type of pleasing others.
Or even that you 'try to please them' consciously / on ( conscious) purpose.
I imagine most people would take offence to that insinuation.

But at some level, pleasing your friends and people you like makes them respond favourably towards you, which is detectable by the brain even at a subconscious level, and being liked, validated, approved etc, in turn makes you like yourself.
Reward trigger neurons, mirror neurons, blah blah.

So, we like ourselves because others like us.
( and yes, there's always exceptions to the rule).

I feel this is a fairly safe conclusion to make.
In my experience, most sufferers who hate / dislike themselves seem to have negative relationship issues with others, or no friends etc.

Now.
What happens when these friends, potentially lifelong ones, whose opinions, reactions, and actions that you have based your self-like on, turn out to be backstabbing selfish people whom you discover are not that nice, and you don't particularly like them?

This means, I posit, that the foundation on which you built your own self-like, ie, the approval etc of your friends, reveals itself to be negative, unpleasant things that you don't like, that you may even feel are negative, damaging, or bad.

The reason you like yourself (as a growth pattern and at a subconscious level, not necessarily as a current thoughtful functioning adult) has become corrupted , the core, that your sense of values and self worth has beenbuilt around from an early age, now shows this horrifying truth:
That you like yourself because of things you hate.

So I dislike most of the reasons I like myself?

Where does that leave me?

It's not easy to change that kind of mind set and value set over night.
But if I don't base it on that, do I base it on eg. things I enjoy and like about my own self?
I know people like that, they are selfish arrogant twats.
Do I base it on so called social norms?

Become an environmentalist vegan third world volunteer?
I'm slightly ashamed to say, that even if I did, it wouldn't make me like myself for it.

So what now? 😞

Ali.

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@Former-Member. A great question you pose. So how do you like yourself?

I agree that from an early age we are 'rewarded' for doing the right thing - whatever that may be. You can say the same thing about school and the work environment.

I am happier when I am helping people. But they don't need to be people I know. Volunteering with a group that I like and support. Helping those who are struggling. Lending a hand. Being helpful. But only when I feel I am able too, and only when I want to. There must be a balane.

I'm also happier when I have time to read and meditate. I often say no to family and friends. I've learnt that 'pleasing' them, may not be in my best interests. So I think it's a balancing act of finding what is right for you and the community you live in.

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utopia wrote: So how do you like yourself?

I don't.

Perhaps no one else does either, at least not the ones I thought.

So (as before), if I liked myself because people liked me and the people don't actually like me, then my self-like didn't "really" exist, it was just a falsehood.

I didn't like myself to start with, it's all downhill from there..

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Thanks @utopia, that's a solid response that makes sense.

I guess part of it ( and where people may start getting offended) is the premise that there's no such thing as an altruistic act.

It doesn't necessarily have to be people you know or family etc, those are just current key points for me.

When I said everything anyone does is to make them feel good about themselves.

So helping others, the community etc, may, consciously and on the surface, be to help others without personal gain, but once you analyse it and pass it through all the biases etc we have, it's ultimately to make ourselves feel better about ourselves. ( Again mostly subconsciously), whether it's ego that you were able to show off your skills or the kind of ego that ' I helped such and such'.

Not ever said put loud of course, or perhaps thought in a solid manner but it's still there.

Of course this doesn't have to be a bad thing, it's how humans function, action and reward, whether we know it or not. And a little ego boosting doesn't hurt in moderation.

The problem is, ( waaaay out example) when eg. The community group you have been helping and devoting your time to turns out to be a terrorist splinter cell than wipes out a bunch of lives.

This doesn't negate the positive effect you got at the time you helped, but it taints the retrospect.

True through no fault of your own, but there it is now, from the into the future, what you did in faith has had negative consequences.

You liked yourself because of those actions.

Hence, in that twisted way, you liked yourself for being a murdering terrorist, and now you have to live with it.

( Yeah ok that's a convoluted argument bordering on strawman but you get the point).

It's also probably a bad example because it's a specific act, that, in my case anyway, wouldn't prevent me from helping community again ( eventually).

My over all point was more in regards to a long series of moral and mental behavioural influences and decisions.

But again, you get the point..hopefully, cos I think I lost it there somewhere... 😕

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Also :
If superman can move really fast, catch bullets etc, his brain must be able to process at a speed to match, so that he can function like that.
Which means being around humans, his brain would be going so much faster that it would seem like everything was in slow motion.
And if he can think that fast he can learn that fast, so he could become a surgeon, lawyer, engineer etc in no time.
That way when people get hurt and die in his arms he could just perform surgery instead.
Screw you superman.

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@Former-Member. I agree. I do it because it makes me feel good.
It doesn't make sense anymore - since my workplace incident & this MI - to do things I really don't enjoy.
I guess that saying 'Life is For Living' rings true more now. However, it sucks when I'm fighting this depression and struggle to do or feel anything good.
It sounds like maybe that's what you have been dealing with for a while - your own identity - loving who you are - your core values- your talents.
It's something I think we are meant to learn from our family and our community when we are young. But we don't all get the opportunity to learn in a safe environment.
I hope you do find things to like about yourself. I already like your intelligence.

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I'm a special kind of stupid.
I would do things that would leave me physically or mentally damaged, to help friends.
Or leave me out of pocket, with scant food for days.

We all do this from time to time.
I did it constantly, because I felt if I could help, i should help.

Bahaha.
'You wanna know how I got these scars?'

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Plus I never got a letter from Hogwarts.
That left me bitter and resentful for most of my life.

Just a filthy muggle.

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@Former-Member. Even the word Muggle is boring. I was an adult when this was popular - & I still wish I had some magic.
I also wanted to be a famous singer when I was young, but I can barely hold a note. Lol.

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Much the same.
Although on contemplation, growing up in a world of magic, doing 8 years magic school would end up seeming as mundane as today's technology and world does.
We crave something different, and magic seems nice.
Or space future etc.
But if we lived there, it would be our normal, and we'd simply wish for something else.

I read a quote by Benedict Cumberbatch recently that said, ( paraphrased) :
"I think success is simply learning to be happy with the things we have, and to not be concerned about the things that we don't ".

I think that's probably happiness, not success.
Or maybe both.

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I think that sounds like happiness and success @Former-Member
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