Frank Discussion of BPD: *WARNING* May be confronting

@Change123 wrote: "The other thing I'm wondering one of the traits of BPD can be narciscissm"

Change, yes and this is one of my big issues with the so called BPD diagnosis. I believe it would make it easier if what you described in your first post today, are viewed as BPD. The reason being if NPD, or NPD traits are thrown into the mix and still elicit a diagnosis of BPD, things start getting very warped.

Two main reasons:

1. NPD and BPD are both very complex in their own rights but driven by very different motivation and needs.
   
   
2. If a BPD diagnosis excludes NPD Traits then it is far easier to research and develop a suitable therapy and easier for the person (carer or therapist) trying to help. Not to mention easier for the sufferers themselves.

Once NPD issues are thrown in on top of it, the waters muddy. [NPD + BPD] combined is a far different person than BPD alone. Many of the symptoms overlap and can appear similar. But when complicated by the NPD the symptoms of BPD can be used in a very different way to a person without N traits. Here-in lies the complication.

To me NPD is the stronger of the two and will always dominate the BPD. That is the need to satisfy the self will always dominate in a situation where they coexist.

Therapists who are unknowingly dismissing the NPD traits and dealing solely with the BPD aspects would likely just end up

Oh.... and when he would laugh at me it would be when I was in my worst pain, for example in a foetal position on the floor sobbing uncontrollably. He'd laugh at me gleefully, and just turn and walk out.