I don’t want to try to guess without knowing @Phoenix_Rising .....
It sounds to me like over there they are trying to work out what to do very carefully, because there is a scared and hurting turtle in the middle of this muddle ..... and they need to be careful about that .....
And the potential solutions you can see through talking it through .... maybe they can’t see things from the same perspective that you do at the moment ..... and I say “at the moment” because I believe in change and movement ...... but change and movement takes time ..... and any time I mention time you will be wanting to know how much time ..... and I don’t have that piece of the puzzle either .....
The pieces of the puzzle we have in our part of Forumland look like this .....
.... and they don’t look like they fit together .... but you have more puzzle pieces, and so do the others involved .....
And all of this might sound like reframing to you .... whereas to me it all sounds like turning puzzle pieces over, trying to fit them together, recognising that pieces are missing, and sitting down to wait for the change of circumstances ..... or get up and start knocking on doors asking for more puzzle pieces .... asking for help to fit puzzle pieces together ..... asking for a new version of the puzzle and the chance to start again .... and it sounds to me like you have already been doing a lot of that anyway ....
The sciencey-problem-solvey side of my brain is pretty well moshed together with my carey-feeling-connecty side of my brain ..... and then there’s a whole slosh of arty-crafty spilled in all over the top of it .... so trying to sort things out this way is just what I do .... so if it is what is referred to as reframing .... well that’s a giant part of f&h-think and how I trabpnslate things to try to make more sense out of them.
Here’s a visual on that ....
And what my “finding order in it” does for that .....
.... but sometimes too, like my situation now, it’s still this ....
