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Predicting the future

Predicting the future

Hi all. Floating around the forums, it has really struck me how often people make predictions about the future of other forumites. Phrases such as "things will get better," "it won't always be like this" "your psychologist/therapist/psychiatrist will help you/ teach you/ show you such-and-such" seem to abound. I am curious to know where everyone got their crystal balls from. On what basis do people make these predictions. Their own experience? How does the experience of one, predict the experience of another?

Here's my experience: I attempted suicide in 1997. Twenty years on, I am still waiting for that moment when I say "gee I'm glad I didn't die that day." I spent twelve years completing my degree with everyone telling me "keep going, it will be worth it in the end." I graduated over a year ago. It wasn't worth it. I spent 12 years on a piece of paper that is sitting in the bottom draw of my desk. For all those years, whenever I tried to get support about what I was going to DO with my degree, I was told not to worry about the future. Well guess what? It's the future now!!!! Now I am 39 and less employable than I was when I started the degree!!!

I saw a psychologist for sixteen years. Everyone told me "listen to X. He will help you." Turns out he was an abusive therapist...and it took me over a decade to figure that out because everyone around me was telling me that he would help me.

There are a lot of very bad mental health professionals out there. Do not believe people who tell you that X will help you, if your own gut feeling is telling you that what X is doing, isn't right.

I do not know your future. I am not saying that it WON'T get better...but I am saying that I don't know. It might, or it might not. I don't know if your situation will improve. I don't know if your therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist will help you. I don't know...and I am not going to patronise you with empty baseless promises. What I do know, is that there is a very good chance it will get better - it does seem to for many people. And of course, you have to stay alive to find out whether you will be one of those many people for whom things improve. It hasn't been the case for me thus far, but that doesn't mean things won't get better for you. My deepest desire is that they will...but I still won't ever make any empty promises to you about it!

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Hi @Former-Member,

I'm not sure that I'm the best person to help you develop your social skills given that I don't know what the heck most people are saying most of the time. When I said that your response was "very well considered," I meant that the length and depth of what you said suggested to me that you had put time and effort into considering your response - thus making it a very well considered response. As I think we've established on this thread, I am extremely literal in my use of language. I don't have any hidden meanings. I say what I mean and I mean what I say...and it completely does my head in that others don't do likewise. The idea that when someone says X they really mean Y, makes no sense to me whatsoever. If you mean Y, then say Y!!! So no, please don't worry that I've said something to you while really meaning something else. I can promise you that that is one thing you will never get from me!

I am glad you don't regret your studies. I very much regret mine. I know that academically I can excel at anything, so I really needed some guidance into what would be best for me to study in terms of it leading to a career. Instead, I just got a whole lot of fluff about studying what I was interested in and it would lead to a career I was interested in. Yeah...that didn't pan out so well for me!!!!

I definitely agree that the welfare system exacerbates mental health issues - hence why I so desperately want to be free from it. Obviously, without employment, I am dependent on it to be able to pay my mortgage. I hate it!!!!!

Anyway, thank you for another well considered reply (meaning you have taking the time to consider what you were saying and thus have produced a well considered reply).

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It's so funny that as I was reading your posts, I thought to myself, she's into psychology. Me too. I can relate to what you said.

Which area of psych did you get your phd for? Going to uni for me is the only relief I get from the emptiness and desire to suicide. I forget about me and my curiosity takes over.

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Hi @Atalanta,

I don't have a Phd. I have an honours degree in psychology. Thanks for saying you can relate to what I said. I'm actually about to go and respond to one of your posts - cos I relate to what you have to say there too.

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You're not really done with study...there's still a PhD to go. 😊

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@Atalanta Quite possibly, if I can ever get my brain sorted out a bit. Perhaps you might like to take a look at my neurofeedback thread. This is my latest effort to heal my brain. I can tag you into the thread if you are interested?

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Sure.

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Hi again @Former-Member, I do have significant issues with social interaction. The thing that has helped me the most was figuring out that I had Asperger's syndrome. Getting that diagnosis really validated my sense of not understanding what the heck is going on in most interpersonal interactions. It didn't magically make me understand...but it made it feel much more ok that I didn't understand. I realise now that I am extremely literal and therefore I don't pick up on subtle messages or inferences. I don't know how to "read between the lines."

At 39 years old, I've now been burnt so badly, so many times, I have no desire to try the friend thing again. I really enjoy the social interaction of the forum, but I don't regard anyone here as my "friend." To me, the people here are casual online aquaintances. I get the sense that for a lot of people, the word "friend" has a much broader meaning than it does for me. It seems to me that people tend to use the word "friend" where I would use "aquaintance."

I think a thread about social skills and establishing friendships would make for very interesting reading. It would be interesting to see what others might have to say on the topic. It sounds like you very much want to make friends but are unsure how to, is that right? You mentioned that you can't pick up on signs of "indifference" and would prefer people to simply say "I don't like you, you are rejected." I think "indifference" means not having a strong feeling either way, whereas someone would have to really intensely dislike you to say "I don't like you, you are rejected." Does that make sense?

I'm wondering if what you perceive as "indifference" is perhaps the person not being as invested in the relationship as you are???? I've definitely been in that situation A LOT. Up until about 18 months ago, I did desperately want friends. I think in my situation, each time I did connect with someone, that relationship became super important because it was the only one I had. But the other person had many friends. This meant that the relationship wasn't as important to them as it was to me. I experienced this many times over many years. The friendships always ended up breaking down because the other person found me too intense. So...that's my experience. I don't know if that fits with your experience at all???

I am very grateful for the fact that I seem to have moved through the grief of not having friends. I am definitely much more ok with it now.

You asked what else I have in my schedule. I have a volunteering gig one day a week, and I am learning the violin, so I have a lesson each week. The Christmas period was tough because both these activities ceased during that time. As I mentioned somewhere in this thread (I think), I have been thinking about doing some tutoring in statistics. This plan has been on hold while I've been struggling so much, but when I'm feeling ok, I am playing around with designing a FB page and also refreshing my memory of the very early stats stuff from my degree. As weird as it probably sounds to some people, working through my stats textbook is something that I enjoy and find calming. So yeah, I am certainly never bored. The problem over the past few months has been that 95% of my time and energy has gone into regulating my giant emotions. If I can get on top of that, then I will have more time to devote to developing this tutoring idea.

So...do you think you'll go ahead with creating a thread regarding social skills and friendship? If you do, make sure you tag me into it so I can join you there. I don't feel like I have a lot to contribute because the world of social interaction is such a mystery to me, but I'd super love to hear what others have to say.

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Just chiming in to add my two cents worth on this too - i too much prefer honesty and find it really annoying when people tip-toe around things. This has become much more apparent in the last few months when health care professionals in particular can't seem to be able to just say things the way they are. Whether it's me and the way I 'might' react, or them for whatever reason, or social etiquette or whatever i don't know, but I wish sometimes it would be ok for me to say "i don't like you and i feel like you don't like me either so let's get to the point and just do what we need to do". Even a simple passing "how are you" as a greeting during a quick phone call can throw me, because I know if I answer the question honestly i can almost feel eyes rolling on the other end of the line because the person didn't really mean to ask how I was they were just saying it because it's the done thing. So I say the expected "good thanks, how are you" and feel like a chunk has been taken from me because I couldn't be 'real'. I'm not sure if this makes sense or is even relevant but yeah, I'd happily join a social interaction kind of themed thread too 🙂
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