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suicidal friend

suicidal friend

I have a friend who i have been friends with for a while and they can be a really great person and have some great qualities but they also suffer from BPD and depression and PTSD and unfortunately they are constantly suicidal. they have been in hospital for nearly the whole last 6 months in and out the longest they have been out for is about 2-3 days they just keep trying to hurt themselves and in some ways i am frustrated because they say they want to die because their life sucks but they make no effort to improve their life and like even when it comes to self harming i have asked them why they dont use their skills to try and not self harm and they will just say they cant be bothered not that the skills dont work or they didnt have any skills but simply they couldnt be bothered to try. [edited by moderator] idk what to do anymore or what to say i try and be supportive but then i wonder am i enabling them to keep behaving in destructive ways by not being more honest about things. idk like i am not saying it is their fault they are struggling and i know it is hard but i cant make them want to live and it is at the point where if they want to die no one can stop them and i dont want to lose them but what am i supposed to do. i dont know how to feel or what to do like i have been suicidal before but idk this seems different to my experience. how can i be there for them but also not be frustrated?

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Hi @Eden1919 , it sounds like you are an amazing friend to them. Wanting to help them, but also being aware that it is their responsibility and choice.

I see both sides of it, having been on both sides (although for being on the side as the friend, not for suicidal friends but for other mental illnesses).

I will write more, but firstly just wanted to let you know I see your post, hear your voice and care, and validate your assertion that ultimately it is their responsibility and choice. And yeah, that can be really scary for people who care and love the person.

Its late tonight and I need to get some sleep before work. But I want to prioritise making time tomorrow to respond properly when I can.

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Hey @Eden1919 . I can really relate to you post. I have BPD amongst other things myself. And I have friendships with people who are the same. For a long time I was depressed, suicidal and I did a lot of self injury. I think that it's important to set boundaries because I know I will have crossed over people's boundaries before, and they get burnt out. So it's important to me to understand where people stand because I'm sure she doesn't want to lose you either as a friend. For me - an example of a boundary I set with friends is that if they ring me and they are suicidal or have self injured then I refer them on to proper help whether they are open to that or not. So people know what to expect if they call me and I'm not being emotionally drained myself too much. Do you feel like that there are boundaries you can or want to set so that you don't feel so frustrated?

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Re: suicidal friend

@AlwaysMyself thanks

@Ainjoule i have already set a number of boundaries one being that i wont call emergency services for them i will encourage them to seek help but i wont call for it myself because that is too much for me. but yeah maybe i need to think about more boundaries to try and feel better because at the moment i just feel lost and frustrated and i dont want to be upset with my friend.

i just wish they would give therapy a chance to actually help them

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Sorry its taken all day to get a proper chance to respond, @Eden1919 . But I have reread it earlier today when I had a half-moment, so that I could keep thinking about it whilst driving, etc.

I really like what @Ainjoule said about boundaries. Where exactly you set them is up to you (like you note that you strongly encourage them to seek emergency support rather than call the ambulance yourself). Boundaries are very important in any relationship, but even more so when someone is inclined to not take responsibility for their own wellbeing/actions/etc.

Frustration about your friend's (in)action sounds quite a reasonable response for you. It can be really disappointing to see people we love making poor choices and/or giving up. Those feelings often indicate love and care, that you don't want to just give up and walk away from that friendship.

Having said that, it is so important to also put your wellbeing first. And boundaries help with that. You are not responsible for your friend's actions or mood. It is always OK for you to not answer their call or message, or to say you are not available. This is something I always stress to my friends who offer to be a support when I am in need - and if I don't think they will say "no" when they need to, then I won't reach out to them as a support (because protecting safe boundaries is so important to health and friendship for me).

Your friend may or may not be used to people setting boundaries. If they are not used to it, they may react poorly. That is not your fault. That is not your responsibility. Sometimes it takes for a valued loved one to stand firm and say "I care for you. I love you. And I am here when I can be, and to help you seek support when you decide you want to." You could mention things you are willing to help with - like driving them to a psychologist/doctor appointment, or driving them to the ED if they need to prevent SH or suicidal actions. Or perhaps to have a coffee with them once every x-often when they are not in a crisis state.

From the other side of the picture, your friends side, I can also empathise with what may be a loss of hope that things will get better - or stay "good". And perhaps a lack of purpose or meaning in life (something to live for). They may also not see SH as a "problem"; they may see it as a way of distracting or coping with intense distress in the short-term.

How to help them with that depends on their thoughts/situation. I wonder if asking them (when not in crisis) what they enjoy most is, or what they hope for the future - then you could remind them of these things when/if they are feeling a lack of meaning or purpose.

The thing that led to me stopping SH as a teenager was when my friend told me she was worried and was having nightmares that my SH would be dangerous. Knowing how much it scared them and caused them nightmares, I agreed to not SH anymore -- however I am very high on the empathy scale, so I dont expect this would work with most people! But perhaps expressing your concerns about the SH and your worries could help them see that you care for their wellbeing?

What do you wish you could tell them "if you were honest"?

And how do you think/imagine they would respond?

Im wondering if there is a way these concepts can be framed to increase the likelihood of them being received within the intended care and concern you have for them.

But regardless of their reactions, you do need to protect your own wellbeing. And asking for support here is a great step to that. 😊

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@AlwaysMyself thanks for the thoughtful reply i do need to rethink boundaries a bit i think but i actually had a conversation with my friend today and i feel a bit better about everything today i think i had maybe pieces of information but not the full story which was confusing me and making me fill in the gaps with things that maybe werent needed to be thinking about idk but anyway i feel a lot better about the situation today so that is good. but i think for the future i need to still consider what i am ok and not ok with.

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Re: suicidal friend

So good to hear you were able to talk to your friend @Eden1919 and that you feel a bit better about things and understand the situation a bit better. 😊

You sound like an amazing friend, and they are lucky to have you with them on their life journey. 🥰

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