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How people show care - how to know they care

How people show care - how to know they care

Hey all,

This is something thats been playing on my mind for awhile. Not entirely sure which "space"/hub it fits best in, so I dont mind in an admin wants to move it to where they feel is best - permission granted in advance.

I know people show care in many different ways; e.g. the concepts of the 5 love languages (service, gifts, time, words, touch). And sometimes it can be hard to recognise actions that show care, or sometimes being the recipient its can be hard to know how genuine it is.

I am naturally a very empathetic person and make an effort to be considerate of others and show I care through a number of ways. I also know that I am up the extreme end of caring for others, and I had to learn as a youth not to expect this level of care from others generally. This can still be hard for me emotionally with some friends even if I know it logically and remind myself of this (my emotions dont follow my thoughts on this).

I think it comes from a place of wishing/wanting more social and practical support in face-to-face life; especially from people who aren't "paid to care". I've struggled since before teen years to be motivated or interested in "normal activities" for my age (school, work, housework, hobbies), and I often find surface-level chitchat (how's the weather? What's for dinner? Celebrity discussions) banal and feel socially "different" and disconnected. I find it rare to find people who I really enjoy social time with (admittedly there are more here than in F2F life - and I think its because of the nature of lived experience wisdom and talking about how life *really* is for people), and those I do tend to be too busy to connect unless there is a crisis.

That's the wider context of why I often *feel* alone, even though I am not isolated.

I have a husband who i do believe cares, but I very rarely feel it. He is not a conversationalist, he doesnt share how he feels (he bottles up, even though I try to encourage him to talk to someone even if its not me) - to be fair a lot of the time he doesnt even know/recognise how he feels, he buys me gifts that are more his interests than mine (which makes me feel like he doesnt even fully know me. He does get things that are my preference within his interest area though - e.g. if its pokemon, it will probably be a gengar), he barely does his house chores (which stresses me because I physically cant do extra, and I pay a cleaner out of my own money to ensure I am pulling my own weight of chores), and spends most of his non-work time playing video games or watching shows (which I have no interest in). I deliberately watch some shows with him and ask him about his games to try to "connect". But if ai ask him to participate in an activity I enjoy he won't because he doesnt enjoy it (and yes I have expressed to him that sometimes I do things i dont enjoy with him just to connect and spend time together). He has learned to ask "how was your day?" most days when getting home at least. Even that was not natural for him. I often can't safely tell him how I am feeling about all this because he will internal it, blame himself, feel helpless and worthless, and get depressed and withdraw. I'm encouraging him to talk to free support through EAP - and even though he says the first one was helpful he didnt rebook. He has finally rebooked after I have suggested it few times over the in-between 3 months of him not seeming to be coping with work-life balance. But I dont want to be pushing him to seek his own help. And I dont feel I can ask him to go to joint counselling for these issues if he isnt prepared to do it by himself where he can more freely talk about stresses of living with me.

We moved back into my mother's home earlier this year because I needed more social and practical support. She helps with cooking two meals a week. And often in the evenings I can go sit with her and chat or watch tv (we have more similar tv interests). But she works as a counsellor, and listens to people's problems all day, so whilst I can talk about life stress safely with her, I dont want to often because I know she is mentally tired and her work can be emotionally tiring already. As she is getting older she is also having less energy to do things, so she doesnt usually want to go out anywhere. I know she cares, but she is also caring practically for her mother which is a lot of work and tiring. I dont feel I can ask her for more help or support.

And the friends I do have, I often feel they dont care too much because I am not a priority for them to: a) reach out to initial contact with me, or b) ask how I am, or c) schedule time to spend with me.

And i know there are many reasons it is not a priority for people and that is OK. But to me that also means there are things more important to them when this happens longterm. And that is ok, but it does mean to me that they do not care deeply as much as they may verbally say.

If a friend does make time despite being busy, even if its not frequent, I recognise this and value that. Once per month would be a nice way to show they care without being too much of a burdon I would hope.

I dont feel my extended family really care, other than my grandma. They take no interest in knowing what my interests are (i still recieve candles and scents as gifts.. ) or in asking to meet up outside of large family events. I have learned to accept this an be ok with that. But they are not a source of social support for me or friendship.

What am I missing? Is there ways that these people are trying to show they care that I am missing?

I know this is a long post and abit complex, and may take awhile for people to read, reflect and respond. That is ok. 😊

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@AlwaysMyself

I resonate with your post on many levels. We have many similarities, though some differences. Eg, age demographic and I don’t really play Pokémon. lol. However I do understand stretching oneself a bit for people to engage with activities they prefer, so got them for my kids. I guess the dance of intimacy and give and take means that “stretchiness” needs to go both ways to some sense of mutual satisfaction. Maybe your hub needs a little education to broaden himself. Maybe chore time can be done in a friendly fun manner…. and not nit picking… not saying it is… just engaging with content…. ???

I love the respect, care and thoroughness of your post. I actually did maths and science so will not say 100% to indicate passionate agreement. I wonder if the generalisations I heard about people in science having low ability to empathise or have poor people skills is just more of the conversational nonsense that drove me away from standard mindless extrovert chitchat. That we both identify as being high in empathy may relate to being female and supposedly more relational than males, but that would be another faulty generalisation, as men definitely have social needs.

It’s great you have a good relationship with your mother, but hearing you about respecting her needs and limitations. Seems to be bottom line that we have to do that with most humans in our orbit. My mother definitely had her hands full and no energy or desire or comprehension to understand or support me. I was mainly a support for her with translation into English, caring for younger siblings and bringing in income. My extended family was limited too. My attachment story in childhood, and thus in adulthood, is complicated. Some people just don’t have the extra love or there’s history that we don’t always understand, why people go down different paths or put up walls.

I want to reiterate I really like the depth of your post.

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Re: How people show care - how to know they care

Thanks @Appleblossom . I dont play pokemon either 🤣 my husband does. Sometimes I will play a pokemon-themed game if it fits the style of game I would occasionally enjoy (dungeon exploring, photo-hunting). But I learnt about pokemon as a way to connect with him and can appreciate some of the pokemon designs and "personalities".

I've watched all of star wars and lord of the rings in the past in order to be able to join in on conversations/interests of friends too. 😅 its a common theme of me having to pretend interest in f2f life to get social engagement.

I work in IT/computer and its also renowned for low-social-skills stereotypically. And yes, there are some that fit that category. But there are also (like science) many people who are analytical and deep thinkers - often introverts i find at work - who i really enjoy chatting to *because* of their analytical or philosophical thinking. 😊

I learned from an earlier relationship not to nag about housework, so I am very hesitant to bring it up unless it becomes a matter of safety (eg dogs). I try to let the consequences speak for themselves - e.g. no clothes to wear? No dishes to cook/eat with?

Im very fortunate to have a supportive mother and a great relationship with her. I think the reason it works us living in the same house is that we are both independent (90% of time) and respect each other's private space (eg not self-inviting into others lounge room). It was very fortunate that she also preferred me to move back in so that she was not in the house alone, and now has some social proximity and company when she wants. 😊 many people do not have this opportunity to positively co-habit.

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Re: How people show care - how to know they care

@AlwaysMyself lol…we have some important similar approaches… Eg… consequences speak for themselves… yes, I have known sciencey types since Late 1970s. Yes, there are all sorts. Yes I knew you were in IT. Sorry if I conflated all STEM subjects… lol. Bad apple.🍎 lol.

due to my vulnerable over exposure to lots of people when a small child, I have had to mask, cope and people please more than the average. I am on a new journey of being less sensitive to others shenanigans, but only since being a senior. Mostly I still fall into caring attitudes and roles, but also been the class clown recently. It definitely wasn’t safe enough to do that earlier, and I had too many major traumatic life events.

Good luck with life…

🐬🌈🦋🥾🍉🌎☀️🌷

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Re: How people show care - how to know they care

Thanks @Appleblossom 🙂. I like science too! I agree there is a lot of similarities in common/stereotypes in STEM 😅. No need to apologise because you didn't do/say anything wrong. 🥰

I am glad you have safe spaces now to unmask and be yourself, and even clown around abit now! 😁

I also had to "learn" to be less serious and be able to just "chill out" and laugh at life sometimes. I have a friend who is sooo chill about everything, so spending some time with them and having silly (but funny) conversations really helped me with that. 😊 I haven't messaged them for a while actually, that might be a good idea -- get some shits and giggles into my day again.

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Hi @AlwaysMyself

I can relate to much of what you've shared. Especially the empathy thing. My brother calls me a "chronic empath" haha, don't know if that's his own term or if he's pulled it from somewhere. It can be quite debilitating at times and absolutely exhausting. I think it's also somewhat dysfunctional in a way, there's so much empathy and sharing in others suffering happening internally that I actually can't bring myself to express it in any meaningful way, so it doesn't even end up helping anyone.

There's a few things I've noticed about myself, I'm wondering if they may be happening for you too?

- Very low confidence and self worth leads to no believing I actually deserve it when someone does an act of kindness. Even receiving presents on birthdays and at Christmas, I get so uncomfortable. No matter how small the gift is, there's no way I can show enough gratitude and appreciation to deserve it. For some reason, saying thank you and smiling doesn't seem like enough. I feel like I'm then kind of indebted and have to buy that person a gift 10 times better to earn the one I received in the first place. I think over time, people pick up on that discomfort, it makes them uncomfortable, and they stop making that effort.

- Distrusting others. Many with a trauma background, or have just had multiple negative experiences with people in general, learn to be distrusting of others. I often question the intentions behind anyone doing anything remotely kind for me. Even just a stranger smiling at me in the street. The first thought is generally "what's their end game here, what do they want from me?" Also experiences of people doing things for you and then coming back to collect the debt later believing you owe them for "all they've done for you." I'm sure that's not a rare experience and makes it difficult to accept kindness down the track.

- Certain mental health conditions tend to have characteristics including much more intense emotions compared to the general population. I think it's plausible that this applies to "positive" (for lack of a better word) emotions as well as it does to the familiar emotions of overwhelm, sadness, stress etc. I reckon we probably experience our love for others, care for others, all that stuff, at a stronger level than "normal' (for lack of a better word again) people. I think this can set us up for disappointment when we don't seem to receive that intensity of emotion in return. I noticed this a lot with dating. Typically within the first few dates I'd know if I was really into someone, think about them all the time, care about them deeply, want to show them affection, protect them, see them all the time, all that stuff. It pretty much just scared everyone away. Interestingly, I've noticed the converse kind of happens over time because that level of emotion towards another person isn't sustainable. I'm now trying to deal with being the emotionally shut off and distant partner in the relationship.

I notice you also said you feel alone, even though you have people around you. I think that's really common also. At the moment, I struggle with feeling lonely because no one seems to understand me. I don't ever really feel "seen". I almost feel like I'm a background character in everyone else's stories. You know, someone who'd drop out of the story and most people wouldn't notice. I'm actually really relieved I've found this forum. It's kind of growing over time, not instant, but I kind of have this comforting feeling that there are people on here who do understand, and I'm glad to have access to that.

The last thing I wanted to share my perspective on, was you mentioned trying to encourage your husband to pursue therapy and it's been perhaps a frustrating endeavour. I've noticed in myself that due to the overwhelming empathy, if I see someone struggling I want to help them and support them to find help so they don't fall apart themselves. My sense of concern is so strong and I just want them to have help so they don't go through what I go. I think we feel empathy by relating other peoples struggles back to our own experiences. Obviously, we're all on here because we have long lasting and deep struggles with our mental health and we would have all experienced incredible dark and distressing times. But that might not necessarily be true for others around us. They might be struggling maybe a 5 out of 10 and be perfectly capable of bouncing back once this particular period is over. We see that struggle and assume it matches our own 10 out of 10 struggling and all alarm bells go off that someone we love is going to go through a terribly awful and damaging experience. I don't know if this is the right terminology, but in my own thoughts I've labelled it "projecting my experiences on other people." Maybe we just have to try and trust that people will ask for and seek help if they really need it, especially if we've made them aware that we care and are here to support them if that's what they needed to do. I don't know your husband or his situation, so apologies if this doesn't apply and I've made some uninformed assumptions. It's just a thought I had when I read it.

I hope you're getting all the responses you needed from this post. Hopefully you can feel the care intended from everyone who's responded 🙂

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Re: How people show care - how to know they care

Thank you @StillTrying 😊. I think you have a lot of wisdom and insights there.

As a youth I would certainly have been inclined to not feel worth a gift from some of the people I cared about (however not from family or school friends, it would have perhaps been from those who i felt did not have social obligations). Ive actually always been very self-confident and valued who I am as a person; self-image hasn't been a problem for me (nor anxiety). Self-worth issues would have come from not being able to cope or not wanting to live. However I improved this thinking and beliefs over the years and if I feel a friendship is reciprocated I feel secure and confident in it. If I dont feel it is reciprocated, I will of course feel insecure in it.

I am a very practical and solution-oriented person, so in my F2F relationships my empathy is often able to help the person if they would like to accept it (noting some people dont want "help", they just want a listening ear - which has been a learning path for me over years to recognise when this is the case and ask what people need if unsure).

Occasionally I "take on" emotional stress from others, but only if I care deeply for them and feel powerless to help. But I was working with someone earlier in the year on this which has helped greatly. 😊 I dont think I'd be able to cope as well helping people on the forums without that, because of the limits of not being able to support people practically in ways I would like to offer if I knew them F2F (e.g. take them for a coffee, help them moving, etc). But I have learnt to be able to help/support without taking it on emotionally too.

Whilst I do come from a trauma background and did myself go through a stage of not trusting people and assuming ill motive of certain demographics from that trauma, I no longer hold that. I assess people as individuals, some of whom may have alterior motives (esp in workplace or retail contexts), but many whom are genuine in their desire to connect/help/etc.

I can understand this in others and recognise it in some people I meet, but I dont think it is a barrier for the friends I am thinking of - they are people who have trusted me in many situations when they have needed help. My husband it may apply to more, although not from a trauma background, I think for him is it low self-worth and wanting to try to ignore (and distract from) how he is feeling that he does not want to talk about it.

I dont tend to assume others will have the same degree of MH difficulties as I do, as I know I am clinically atypical. However I am aware of how untreated MH issues can fester and get worse and then be much harder to improve again. My husband has been quite depressed and irritable and unable to cope with the demands of work-life balance for at least 3 years now, and it has been impacting me quite a bit, which is why I encourage him to seek help/support because of both the duration and how it is affecting my relationship and living together. I dont want to separate from him, but at times I feel that I want to "kick him out" so that I am not treading on eggshells when trying to broach topics or else living in a stressfully-messy home. I want to try to resolve the negative emotions and disatisfactions I am beginning to have, and there is only so much I can do from my end.

I am not intense in my emotions expressed to others, but I 100% can relate to that feeling of knowing soon after meeting someone whether or not they are someone I will "click" with an being drawn to get to know them. I am deliberately somewhat reserved (compared to the internal excitement of meeting someone interesting) in how I express to them, for exactly the reasons you mention - especially as these people for me are often introverts. I have found a way I can let them know I'm interested to get to know them socially more and find talking with them interesting and not tiring, but also put the ball in their court to be able to invite me and/or to let them know it is OK to decline an invite if I ask on the off-chance (this is good for relationships i am insecure in, because if I know they feel safe to decline an invite I know I can still maintain inclusion of them if they'd wish by extending an invite). I try to let them set the frequency of contact they would like; often for those who are busy it can be message-based hello's once a month for example.

I think the main issue of concern that I'm trying to get to on this thread is that feeling of aloneness that comes with not feeling people care (in face to face; not commenting on this community at all!) because whilst they may say they do, I dont see their actions backing it up. And this is mostly with my friends, as I can understand some of the reasons my husband is distant (due to his not coping). And this is with friends who do talk to me when *they* are not coping, but seem to ignore me somewhat when they are coping fine.

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Hello @AlwaysMyself , @StillTrying , @Appleblossom 🥰

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