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Introducing me and my situation

Introducing me and my situation

Hi all, I am a 53yr old woman who has recently attempted suicide and was then diagnosed with severe PTSD, chronic depression and anxiety, I am definitely not suicidal now and the whole thing seemed surreal and like it was someone else but I had been struggling for a few months with a toxic boss in government health job, I left a DV relationship 3 years ago now and the new boss has triggered all those old helpless, confused, flight or fight feelings of being in a relationship with a covert narcissist, I have been getting a lot of help since the above incident, which was 5 weeks ago now, I am fortunate enough to have long service leave which I have been using but will have to go back to work by the 01.09, my biggest concern at the moment is that I will be unable to get a job in another department due to the leave taken and stigma that still exists with mental health and one role I have applied for already has declined to short list me, I am an experienced executive support assistant and there is always people that talk about others despite their previous work history and competence, has anyone else experienced hidden discrimination in their workplace or had to deal with working with toxic line managers and has tips on how to cope or move forward without going backwards. I appreciate this is a very long introduction to me and welcome any comments, T

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Welcome to the forums and sharing what's been going on for you @Tiger_eye .

I look forward to hearing all the community's insights into this situation.

You are not alone.

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Hi @Tiger_eye, thanks for sharing your story, you have been through a lot, your resilience and strength does shine through!

I think in the end, the worry of essentially a confidentiality breach of your personal story in the work place is understandable, from all you have been through I know you can get through this and hope a job you have been hoping for is just around the corner.


I have dealt with a similar breach where I ended up in a mental health ward and then all my colleagues found out, people talk but also I disappeared for 6 months, people realise you are gone some of it is human nature and some people have genuine concern too, there are both sides. It was uncomfortable returning to work knowing “everyone knew stuff” but I just chose to focus on the “return to work” and just ignore the confidentially breach ever occurred. No one ever brought it up and I was able to speak with my close friends regularly about my concerns over that time of potentially being judged or approached with a question etc. This was around 9 years ago.
I am sure all my previous work colleagues have all forgot about that part of my story I sure haven’t but got through it.

Suicide is interesting, the place you find yourself can be unexpected and can be filled with great despair and pain, however, “it’s a moment in time” circumstances and feelings can and do change there is always a chance to feel better and you made it a reality, as you said you are definitely in a better place which is so good to hear. It sounds like you have put a lot of work in and hope that your story can inspire others and you can continue to feel even better. All the best 😊

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Thank you @Chasingsunsets so much for your response was compassionate and your experience is helpful and made me feel better about it all 💜

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Hi @Tiger_eye, thanks for your response. I am glad you are feeling better and always know the sane community are behind you. Feel free to keep me updated or if you need a chat about something. I know I couldn’t address all of your questions but glad you found my comment helpful 🙏

Thinking of you during this time ☀️

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Hi @Tiger_eye

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"my biggest concern at the moment is that I will be unable to get a job in another department due to the leave taken and stigma that still exists with mental health and one role I have applied for already has declined to short list me, I am an experienced executive support assistant and there is always people that talk about others despite their previous work history and competence, has anyone else experienced hidden discrimination in their workplace or had to deal with working with toxic line managers and has tips on how to cope or move forward without going backwards."

Yes, I can relate to some (but thankfully for me not all - there is hope for you too!) of this work situation side.

I want to give a proper answer but last night and this morning am not able to right now. I will try to do so this afternoon / a little later.

But in the mean time - I hear you. You are not the first to experience similar challenges, you are not "the problem", and there is hope.

Chat soon!

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Firstly, this will be a long answer @Tiger_eye 😅 but read at your own pace (or dont if it doesnt resonate or help). No pressure. 🥰

I recently had some workplace difficulties due to some behaviours that others have described as "toxic" (I would describe them as unproductive, hindering, unprofessional, and sometimes discriminatory). I also work in a government job - there are good and difficult things from this.

Firstly, are HR aware of the incident and your related leave? Are they a genuinely supportive or a cover-the-legal-bases culture?

(I have been so fortunate that my HR contacts have been genuinely supportive, but I know this is not always the case.) If they are aware, they may be able to help facilitate a transfer for your wellbeing and ability to recommence/sustain work.

Have you investigated whether there are any recruitment EOI pools you can be listed on? For temporary or permanent roles.

(Last year I spent half the year on various temp transfer roles as a way of getting myself out of the environment; this was before things got more serious).

Stigma around mental health is a really mixed thing ive found. I find there is a lot of messaging from the top down around looking after both mental and physical health, but at the daily-grind level I find it very much differs based on the manager. I have found managers in my area to be quite open and accepting of people having mental health diagnosis - i know a couple of workmates have bipolar for example, and sometimes they may be off work for a few weeks or a month. I only know because they have self-disclosed; its never been said their work absence is due to their MH - privacy on that has been respected. For myself, I am not aware of managers ever disclosing my MH challenges to others either.

If they did this, I would certainly report it to HR whilst also respectfully addressing it with the person and giving them the opportunity to learn (if a mistake) and apologise.

For me, that harder challenge is the "talking behind your back". I wish I could say it never happens; ive seen it done to others. I've had it done about me too. And what's worse? I dont feel I can raise it with the person directly without the person who told me about it getting into the "bad books" for warning me / letting me know. I did let HR know though - because I was already talking to them about the other work environment problems.

My word of encouragement for the issue of people talking behind your back though is...

Those people often have a reputation for gossip and being judgemental. Others generally know what theyre like, and judge for themselves.

I ask myself "if someone listens and believes and judges from that basis, would I want to work with them?" For me, the answer is "no". So if someone discriminates because they hear i have mental illness, then that is actually saving me from another hurtful/toxic environment.

If the person rolls their eyes and ignores and decides to judge me for what they see and/or my wider professional reputation, then that is likely to be a much safer and healthier environment for me.

I am currently on a temporary transfer away from my "toxic" environment, with no plan to return to it. My current boss knows I sought this temp role in order to get away from some harmful behaviours, and they do not think less of me because I had difficulty coping with it. They are aware that if I face stressful behaviours in the role that I may require budget-funding for additional workplace supports, and that is something I can ask for if that happens. And I didnt have to get HR involved for this conversation to occur either! That's just the manager being a caring and real human.

I kept my eye on both temp roles and permanent roles available. I did consider some that were one level below my current level if they offered experience in something I want to increase skill in (and knowing if it was a permanent position I would likely get opportunity for a promotion in that line of work without difficulty after a year or so). - although I didnt end up going for any of those.

My challenge was/is that IT pays better than Admin, and so a horizontal at-level transfer is difficult because i do not have the management experience that would be expected at my level in an admin-stream. I could get a promotion to the next level if I stayed in an IT-stream, but instead I am prioritising at-level horizontal transfer into an admin-stream so I can get out of IT and build that management experience instead. ☺️ the next level in IT would only widen the gap for future horizontal transfers.

Is there any specific Execs you know of who are said to be great to work for/with?

I hear that is one of the risky things with EA/EO roles that the Exec can change and can get a horrible one. 😣

If there is good ones you know of, could you try building a professional network relationship with the other Exec support staff in that team? Sometimes this can help to be aware of any short-term transfer opportunities and build your reputation as a desirable future staff member. ☺️

Im not sure about your gov org, but mine does have allowance for at-level transfer by direct appointment for existing permanent employees. Its rarely used (for transparency), but it can be used and i think if you have HR backing for the need for a transfer that could also help with requesting a direct appointment, esp if the receiving team really want you specifically. ☺️

(That's how I got my current temp role, but if it becomes permanent im not sure if they will do recruitment process or direct appointment).

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This is all great advice and incredibly helpful, if only to know others are going through similar situations, unfortunately my HR departments actions do not match their correspondence and the individual I have to deal with is our department HR representative meaning they do not have my individual interests as the priority that someone external to our area might have, so I am proactively applying for secondments in our organisation, I know exactly what you mean about the ‘talk behind your back’ kind of colleagues and try to avoid the individuals and agree with your thoughts on this. It is worse simply for the fact that my last supervisor was an amazing leader and compassionate line manager who knew my situation and was incredibly supportive and as it so very often goes, even though she did the job wonderfully they gave the position to an external applicant who has turned out to be a highly manipulative individual who feels that I am his to control and has aligned himself with those who will benefit him and his motives / end goal, he is savvy enough to say all the right things when observed by others which makes it very hard to prove, however I will be recording everything when I have to return in 8 days, I have enrolled in a resilience program as well to provide me with some additional tools so that I can manage the environment until I find something else. I did also contact my union who were also of little assistance unless I have an official complaint against the person which is generally thought of as a suicidal career move and likely to get me ‘managed out’
Thank you for taking the time to provide such an in-depth response, I really appreciate it 💜

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You are welcome @Tiger_eye . And we're here with you in your journey as you prep to return, return to work, and seek secondments/transfers.

I know my divisions HR rep was 'meant to' be our port of call for HR issues, but when they didnt have time I reached out to another core-HR person instead and that was OK to do.

Does your work have any informal support network? I know mine does, and its OK to contact *anyone* in any of the government departments/directorates from that list even if theyre outside yours. Some people even say its OK to reach out for advice to a HR person in another dept if you need to - it can just be hard to know which HR people are open to it! (I heard this in a Mentor training session)

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