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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Here for you ❤️ @AlwaysMyself , @Till23

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 how did you go with the chores?

I need to do some chores around the house too, but also no motivation to. But i put out my rubbish bin today, and i also moved some emptied bins back to where they needed to go (after a week of them not being back to their places).

I've been doing my laundry washing weekly still; thats my "must do" at some stage every week.

Sometimes i try to just put away 1 item at a time. Or something small like moving my bins back to their place.

At least i keep on top of paying my bills on time 🙂. Even if i am delayed in claiming rebates etc afterwards.

I dont feel any better after doing these things. But i tell myself that i did well for doing them.

I wish we could both feel motivation to do them, and satisfaction or positive feeling after having done them, @Flutterbug9 .

The only time i feel motivated to tidy up or declutter/sort things is for the "wrong reasons", which of course i dont want to dwell on or encourage.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Shaz51 I hope things are as good with you as possible, given your multiple issues.

I didn’t actually realise that Oaktree was a PSW.
I’m personally not concerned, it was just an observation.

I don’t tag PSWs if I’m not wanting a response, because they already get heaps of tags.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @Till23 Think we might have chatted ages ago, I’m not sure though.

i joined the forums about 3 yrs ago, different username back then which was changed following some issues on the forums.

Diagnosed with depression, anxiety and CPTSD by GP. I’ve seen few different therapists during the last 15 yrs approx. started displaying signs of fear of abandonment, panic attacks just over 50yrs ago when in late primary school.

things have changed on the forums since I first joined. Over the time on the forums I’ve met lots of people, have had good and not good experiences.

try to support and offer encouragement when I can, know I don’t have it in me to do it all the time. I prefer having general chats with people, due to having their own MH and life experiences, offer empathy, humour plus happy to talk about everyday things. Know I need the chats about everyday things to help me keep going.

take care of yourself

maybe chat another time

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hope you all sleep well @Flutterbug9 @Till23 @Shaz51 .

Lets see what the fresh brings each of us, eh. Day by day we travel on, one foot in front of the other. I'm glad ive got my friends (and I'm not forgetting you @Cuddlebear either!!) with me on the path - and ive got a number of you which is lovely because as we all know we all have times when we need to pull back and not be present. And i guess i also try to see the forum as "extra support" rather than "core support" for me, thus not having any expectation on anyone to support me here (because even if people may *want* to, life happens! Health happens! And were not always in a position to be able to, so i try not to think of this as a place to *rely* on getting support, but rather as a bonus.)

There are many others too i know here who are also very supportive of me too (so please dont feel left out for not being tagged - i just dont want to distract people by tagging all the time for general things that have already been said elsewhere).

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Shaz51

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That’s great that the clinic was flexible @AlwaysMyself and you could get on with doing things whilst having treatment. I know one of the side effects is headaches, so I hope I don’t get that, so that I could perhaps fit it around stuff.

With radiotherapy for my cancers I used to have that last thing in the day. So I just leave work a bit early and that was pretty ok and that was about 4 weeks each time.

First thing would probably be ideal except training is first thing, but it’s only a couple of weekdays and my volunteering is first thing on another day. I suppose it depends what times the clinic can offer.

These are all things I have to consider if I go ahead.

Yes, I feel having a purpose is a must for my survival. Sometimes I have to look at things in a different way. Like with table tennis, I think well it gives other people a reason to get out and about, and they need someone to play with, so my purpose is to help them enjoy themselves.

With moderating I think there may be some keyword algorithms. I have been pulled up because I have put the number of kilometres a couple of times. The first time I didn’t even think it was a problem, but it was because of people with eating disorders, the other time I just forgot.

But, I think many other times it is down to the moderator who was on, because there is a large scope for interpretation of what’s written.

The mods have to think about how any forum member might interpret what you’ve written, even if they know you are safe. There are members who never actually post anything, so the mods have to think how a complete stranger could interpret what you have written.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Flutterbug9 I see we have some similarities - age, diagnoses. I know a few users have changed their username.

I used to be on some of the social chats much more often than I am now.
So yes, we may have chatted before.

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Morning ❤️ @Till23 , @AlwaysMyself , @Flutterbug9 , @Ru-bee , @Cuddlebear

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Morning ❤️ @Tolly have a great day 😊

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