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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thank you @PeppyPatti , that is a very important perspective and reminder. I do find it hard to accept that being a financial burden is outweighed by "just being alive" / social benefit to those around me. And yes, my mother does say she would prefer me to be alive and not working (being supported by her) than to not be alive. I am slowly coming to accept that idea as a possibility, and it is one of my possible plans for next year (depending on what happens later this year).

I know though that if I am financially dependent on someone I will not feel able to spend money on recreation, unless it is a joint thing they also want to do. I would be very conscious of living the cheapest life possible.

I would have a small passive income though from my apartment that I had to move out of. So it is possible my mother could propose an arrangement where she pays for board and health bills, but I pay for recreation/travel, clothes, etc. Then I guess I wouldn't feel so bad.

I'm not sure I would quality for any centrelink payments either because they would probably look at my work history and say "why can't you keep working part time? You have done it for so long; what has changed?" I know it has been harder and harder to get DSP or sickness payments. But I guess I would look into that at the time. I suppose the upside to seeing a therapist again is someone who can write a letter in support of how work and mental illness affect my life, having known me a while.

Thank you again @PeppyPatti

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself depends on the thing tbh - if it has sparked one of my special interests or current obsessions I would likely get a huge 'hit' from it. But sometimes I think it depends on timing - like I've had tv shows that I dropped after an episode or two, only to come back and binge it 6 months later. I have things recommended to me and even if it sounds right up my alley, I can't always engage in it right away.

I think this is where the autism comes in (I am as yet undiagnosed but my psych strongly suspects, I've scored highly on the questionnaires, and my friends have been saying it for yonks haha) because it means I have a rigid nervous system - so to be flexible enough to try something new, I have to be in the right headspace. Otherwise it can be like an insurmountable wall in my brain, or it's like super anxiety-provoking and I get too in my head to actually engage in it fully.

One thing I have learned about ADHD as well is that it is more of a 'cluster' of symptoms than anything, and everyone has differing neurotypes. As well as that, most of us develop strong masking/coping mechanisms that we don't always recognise as such. For example, friend of mine for ages thought that he had OCD, because of how hyper-organised he was - to the point of distress. Lo and behold after diagnoses, he figured out that because of getting criticised for his lack of organisational skills when he was younger, he ended up overcompensating to try to mask his feeling of being inadequate. It's also one of the reasons women and uterine-bodied people so frequently go undiagnosed, because we present differently - typically lacking the hyperactivity component.

Also I think it's poorly named - I don't have a deficit of attention, I have trouble regulating where my attention is going. Hence, easily distracted from boring tasks (which might but will get completely absorbed in a task I find interesting, and forget to eat or pee for like 6 hours straight 😅

Just to be extra clear, I am not saying you are definitely ND or anything, I am just sharing some of my knowledge and experiences. Ruling stuff out also helps on the path to finding some clarity 😊 And yeah I'd be super curious to see how that goes too, if you do reach that point! Stimulants and ADHD brains can have very funny interactions... looking at you, friend of mine who falls asleep after coffee!!

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

😆 @Jynx . I can go both ways with caffeine - sometimes I can drink coke and fall asleep, other times I stay awake lol. Needing to pee is the one consistent though! 😆

One thing is certain - i am not neuro "typical" 😆. Whether or not I fit any of the defined ND diagnosis groups may be a different matter and unknown lol. But along that neural spectrum I'm quite sure im further down to the diverse end than the typical end 😆.

(And yeah, I tend to get on quite well with my ASD friends so there is that too. I struggle a little more with hyperactive people though - too much energy buzzing around 😵‍💫; thats not a bad thing about them - just something I struggle with feeling drained to keep up with mentally 😊).

I like being organised. I have noticed over the past year that it is definitely an anti-anxiety thing for me. But I think it also comes naturally to my logic type brain, plus my problem solving nature. If I know I need to go out somewhere, I set an alarm for a little before I need to leave, so then I can relax until the alarm - else i would be constantly checking the time and unable to do anything productive or relaxing.

I don't know much about OCD - beyond a broad cursory knowledge. But I do have some history of tendency towards very mildly obsessive or compulsive thinking -- but not to the degree of OCD. I have previously been prescribed short-term meds for repetitive (sort of obsessive/preocuppying) thinking, which were also used off-label for OCD.

Psychology/neurology is always interesting because our own neuro-thinking is "normal" to us until we compare it to others! Which can be hard to do since people describe and interpret things differently.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good morning my friend. Sending you happy vibes for work today and that things go smoothly.

Im glad you found the article interesting. Who knows what discoveries humans might make but it fascinates me and I like learning about it. I didn’t know about Jupiter’s moon having a similar possibility to Mars. It’s so hard to determine for scientists but every little piece of information helps us get a step closer to what’s going on.

how was your afternoon catch up yesterday? How’s all the fur babies?

You know you are honestly one of the most kindest humans I’ve ever met. If I knew you off the forums I’d feel so privileged to support you. You are not a burden.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@Cuddlebear currently have one dog (mother's little one) curled up on my legs, and my big girl dog snuggled up beside me leaning on my lap, and my big male dog happily sleeping on the floor cushion. They've been well behaved mostly since I got back from work this afternoon.

Its amazing to think how far away the other planets are, how long it takes to get there (for satelites, rockets, etc). Some of what I have learned are from audio videos by "The French Whisperer".

https://m.youtube.com/@TheFrenchWhispererASMR/featured

They do more than just astronomy or science, but they have done a few about planets. They're designed to help you relax and/or fall asleep as you listen. The only subtitles are the auto-generated ones.

How was your start of the week?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Good morning my friend. How are you today? How is work going?

I love how you had fur babies all snuggled around at bed time. It’s so nice isnt it. Mine also sleep with me which I love.

I’ll check out the video! It always surprises me the things I learn especially how long it takes to get to space and return home.

My day was difficult yesterday but not as bad as the weekend was. Today the CATT team are coming this morning to see if they can provide some support from home while I taper. I’m nervous never seen them before.

Do you have any plans after work? How have you been feeling? Is your mum back soon lovely?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello @AlwaysMyself,

How are things feeling for you at home this week? And what did you get up to over the weekend? 💛

Just touching on our last conversation, I appreciate you explaining your perspective more. I am curious, what comes to mind that you could do that's just for yourself? It's okay if nothing appears, but wondering if you get a sense or not. Perhaps we can explore following curiosity here? 🥰

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

How did the CATT visit go today @Cuddlebear ? (You may have updated elsewhere on the forums today, I haven't read yet - this is the first post I've read so far 😊). I hope something positive comes of it (hopefully directly, but if not then indirectly).

Work was decent today. Felt like I did some useful work; progressed two different pieces of work and was able to give some advice on a third topic. 🙂

Got home about half an hour ago and now sat down to chill for 1 hour more until I have to feed dogs and a make a call. Hopefully will have more downtime later in the evening too, but hopefully won't be too tired too early. I feel bad if I put my mum's dog to bed too early, but a lot of the evenings I just want to curl up in bed while I wind down to do things on my phone or watch a show -- it's more comfortable and warmer than the couches.

Definitely looking forward to my mum coming home Friday night (although I won't see her until Saturday as I will be out in the evening). I feel pressured to come straight home after work to minimise the dogs home-alone time (and risk of house destruction or toileting urgency). Tomorrow they will be home for 10 hours straight without me (usually it's only 9 hours, but wow that sounds a long time even!); I hope my 2 dogs cross their legs! (My mum's dog has access to a dog-door).

I've been able to push aside my thoughts most of this week so far, which is good. Focusing on getting through one day at a time, and one task at a time to tick off my never ending list of "need to do" things. Feeling very worn out, but "hanging in there". If I start looking at things bigger than "immediate need" I will likely end up in a darker thinking space, so I am trying to avoid it (outside of counselling appointments, that is).

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Thanks @AuntGlow 🙂. I guess it depends on what the meaning of "for myself" is. 🤔

There are non-compulsory things I choose to do - occasional painting, social DnD game, reading a book, watching shows, meeting people at a cafe. But I don't seem to get a positive feeling from them (that I notice during, or that I can recall/re-experience later). Painting, reading a book and watching shows are "filler" that keep my brain occupied whilst I get physical rest. Cafe & DnD fulfill the need to see people (even if sometimes I end up feeling worse for it, but usually I don't and it staves off the feeling of isolation that would increase if I didn't do any social engagements).

When I don't have time for those things I don't feel that I "miss" doing them. 🤔

The idea of taking a walk or having a hot bath or doing meditation has no appeal to me. (I do have down-time quiet processing for my brain, but not meditation in the way that many people use the term as a more formal discipline. I tend to do this when I notice I am feeling stressed or emotional).

I use my brain so much for work (knowledge worker) that "learning" is the last thing I want to do when I get home, generally. "Fun facts" in passing, or a podcast to help me fall asleep are the exceptions to that - but some days a podcast is too much for my brain after a work day. And after work I am a physical write-off too; just do the necessary for that evening. My days off are my only "available brain space" and lately they have been busy with many appointments/outings.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself i've been catching up on this thread and it's been such an interesting read!!


@AlwaysMyself wrote:

Some reason to live that *I want* to live for, that makes putting up with the negatives of life worthwhile. As I say, "something to balance the scale" - although that is also in relation to feeling positive experiences to balance the scales.

People are born, they live, they die. What's the point of living? (If people enjoy the experience of living, then yeah sure they have a good reason to! ...but I don't.)

The only "purpose" to living i can see is to help others live less painfully. But I'm now at a stage where I need a reason for *myself*, not "for others". I'm worn out from existing for the sake of making life less painful for others, and becoming a little more callous about that as a reason - "put myself first for once". But I simply don't care about life in and of itself. (I respect others right to live and to not be intentionally harmed).

I'm genuinely not sure there is an "answer". I suspect people find/make their own meaning, and probably based off what they intrinsically enjoy in life?


ooo yes, i've definitely had similar thoughts throughout my life. hope its okay if i share some thoughts? (if not, pls don't feel pressured to read or respond to this)
for me, there's a difference between finding meaning/purpose in life vs. the point of life.

finding meaning/purpose is more about ways to keep going when things get hard. like you mentioned, helping other live less painfully or even setting goals (like wanting to travel to certain places, setting milestones/trying to achieve certain things like graduating or buying your first car, etc) would help us create/find reasons to keep moving forward and not give up. my spiritual/cultural beliefs also play a huge role in this but i'll save you the essay haha.

the point of life/living is SUCH a huge question. will we ever truly know? maybe the only person that could answer this is the creator of life itself? i like to think we create our own point to life, and it's something we discover through living (i.e. experiencing the world) - this answer might change in a few years time, but this is what keeps me going for now. whether there's a real point or not, one thing is certain - life will end, it doesn't last forever. we don't know if things after life will be better or maybe even worse, so i try to make the most of this life while i can. i try to spread joy, do good things and leave the world slightly better than i found it. totally fair if you don't agree or see it the same way, i don't really think there's 'one' right way of seeing it.

i know you mentioned somewhere about not feeling things like joy as often as others do. i think Jynx mentioned something about somatic practices - is this something you've looked into?

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