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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I figure it's better to introduce my challenges here than in a welcome. Hopefully only people willing to hear about SI will venture here.

TW: Suicidal Ideation

Content/trigger warning

I've had thoughts of suicide since I was 12. I don't remember much of life before this time. I'm aware there are times that I haven't though as much about suicide as others, but it's always been a "yes please, that would be my preference" even during the better times.

Why am I still alive then? For two reasons:

- the emotional pain it would cause to very close family.

- the physical pain of accessible methods, and the risks of non-fatal attempts causing lifelong physical impairments.

How do I keep myself going all these years?

By focusing on how I can benefit other people's lives instead. If I'm going to put up with life, it may as well be beneficial to someone.

And to help me keep life less monotonous I look for 'interesting' things - quirky people, exploring foreign countries/cultures, trying new foods (even if i dont think I'll like them). I've never been a status-quo person.

I explain to MH supports that when life is not distressing I can carry on without seriously considering suicide as a possible option. I can say "hello there thought, I hear you but I have chosen not to act on it, things are OK". But when something sets things off kilter, its a pretty quick track back to "why am I still doing this? Do I really still have the same commitment to living? And why, for whom? Why can't I be permitted to die if that's what I want for myself?"

With decades of this under my belt, I have the ability to sit with feelings of extreme distress. And the courage to text or call someone if I need to - and I'm getting a little better at doing this *before* it gets too extreme, but I still hesitate because I don't want to burden others and the frequency of it happening during those unbalanced times is too often. I've persuaded myself a few times recently to instead call a crisis line, but waiting 30-45min in a queue can sometimes exacerbate the thoughts, and sometimes the calls might help dissipate the feelings (if i called early enough) but other times I feel worse after because of course they're going to try to give some positive outlook for the future, but it grates on me because deep down I dont want a future at all. Its actually refreshing when someone acknowledges that not liking/wanting life is OK - and instead just tries to look at how to rebalance the scales to help me cope with continuing to live despite not wanting to.

I'm not sure how un/common my way of thinking is. So much about suicide prevention is focused on short-term distress tolerance or "fixable" problems (eg situations).

What do I need from the community here...?

To be heard? To know if anyone else out there has a long enduring preference to die even when they aren't feeling active distress? And if so, has anything helped them longterm to shift that thinking?

If anyone knows of any practitioners who *specialise* in chronic SI since a young age, I'd really love to know who (if there is a way someone is allowed to??). I've tried Google searching and using online psych directories and reading bio's. I've seen many psychologists and psychiatrists in the past who haven't been able to help me shift this (even if theyve helped in other ways).

I do wonder if my neural networks for positive emotional may not have fully developed or may have atrophied due to the young age and length of time. I genuinely do not know what being happy feels like, I do not have any memory that I recall as being "happy" or joy, and I suspect this makes recovery much harder.

Im ok at the moment. Im safe. But it is exhausting.

Apologies this post is quite a bit too long.

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In response to: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hello lovely!

I am just going through all of your tagged messages now @AlwaysMyself 💖

How did everything with your peer support worker/group end up going? Did you find a recovery goal that felt okay for you?

Also, how interesting that your GP mentioned autism! I know we have speculated about this in the past too... it definitely is a vast and nuanced spectrum, and hypothetically say you find yourself on the 'higher functioning' side, it wouldn't make a diagnosis any less valid.

It's totally fair to feel like the diagnostic route is not necessary for you right now though... maybe even simply acknowledging that your mind potentially works different to others could allow you to drop your mask more often? So that you feel more comfortable and connected to yourself? I know we have touched on this briefly, and I would love to hear what your counsellor has to say - she sounds wonderful.

I can also relate to your experience of forgetting... I don't remember my dad much at all - I suspect I forget most memories due to trauma too. It can be confusing, can't it?

I wonder what it would be like to explore the feelings your mother's stories elicit, in the moment? 💛

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AuntGlow ,

Peer worker - I like her. Easy to talk to. Will see how things go. I find it helpful to have someone to sit with me whilst I do something; feels less burdensome than forcing myself to do it alone. However the program is intended more toward teaching people how to self-manage longterm functionality or to discuss/develop coping techniques - so it still feels a little... pressured? at times to "fit the model", rather than being what I need at the moment - which needs to be seen within the context of having pushed myself to function for 25 years without relief. Even just typing that as an outward acknowledgement of it brings me tears. I suspect she has some pressure to ensure that we somehow follow their model of "progress" rather than just being a way of me being able to get some things done a little easier in the short-term.

I wouldn't say I don't feel comfortable or connected to myself. I have always allowed myself to be myself, accepted me for who I am, etc. I just also know that I have to "put on a polite face" and feign interest and not say what I'm thinking, etc, to other people a lot of the time face-to-face. I just haven't always seen this within a frame of autism per se, but just as "normal" part of me having different interests to those around me, and of having depression and disliking life and having to pretend that isn't the case. I later learned that a number of people were 'scared' of me when I was 14 because of my facial expression - when I couldn't be bothered/energy to pretend and fake-smile.

I am more conscious now of when I choose to pretend to be interested and when i will not give a care if people see that I am disinterested (a passive way of me hoping they will notice and stop talking about the subject ... but it rarely seems to work... people don't seem to pay attention to whether or not their audience is interested in the topic)

I wouldn't want to explore the feelings with my mum around. Too often I have felt that her answer is to rationalise away the feelings. which has caused me to disconnect from them instead of process them. I find myself getting annoyed just thinking about it. But I can ask her questions when they come to mind, if I am curious about something specific.

Sorry, I'm still not in a good mood. Similar to past 2 days. So I realise I am inclined to be a little more negative than if I were in a less-negative feeling.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Sorry to hear this @AlwaysMyself .

What would be helpful at the moment to help you manage these feelings?

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Appreciated @tyme . Unfortunately not much that I don't already do 😓. Best I can do is distract myself or go to sleep early if I become sleepy. But distractions are difficult - they in themselves remind me that I don't enjoy things because I am not interested in them and don't feel better for doing them. They only work to try to make my brain occupied, but that doesn't work if I have no concentration ability at the time.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

I'm interested about this chronic SI. Is it pain or something that is causing it? @AlwaysMyself

I'm only asking because I have chronic SI too, but my life is actually not bad at all.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@tyme My baseline pain levels have been pretty good the past year (as long as I don't do anything), so I don't think they have been adding to it since then. But prior to then they did. I get weekly massage & chiro which has helped keep the pain very mild, but when I don't have it the pain grows.

Chronic fatigue is another aspect, which I suppose plays a part. It limits what I can do (along with the chronic pain limiting physical activity too). Until the end of last year I have been working part-time, and when i work that's pretty much all i can do as I have no energy for anything else other than very basic requirements like doing my washing once a week. Hence I hire a cleaner and a dog-walker to reduce the burden of needing to do these compulsory things. Also why I have found the food bars good - because they are both weight-management and no-effort (except for remembering to place the order to buy more lol, since the chemist that sells them is not convenient). This is why it is rare for me to cook now days - I don't have the energy to.

The main contributing problem is severe and constant anhedonia. I explain life as having a set of 'scales' ⚖️.

Life always will have some negative-stress things (cooking, cleaning, work, frustrations, injustices, etc).

So there must be something on the positive side to make life bearable long-term.

I have nothing on the positive side emotionally. I don't feel pleasure, I don't feel enjoyment, I don't even know what 'happiness' is as a memory - only a concept I have heard about. I don't have anything more than a fleeting "interesting" in novelty (which by its nature, it is no longer novel after the initial of course!).

This is despite all the psychological treatment. it never shifted.

I don't have any memory of wanting to live, so I can't even recall a memory to hold onto.

I sometimes ask others what it is they like in life, that makes them "balance" their scales. Most people look at my confused as they have never considered it, its just innate for them. others say it is their family connections. Some people have activities that they enjoy doing. or feel some drive motivation to do/achieve something. I don't feel that. There are things that are more meaningful to do and align with my values, and thus would be my choice to do. But not that motivate me to live if comparing the option of living or ceasing. I'd still choose to cease if given the option without causing pain or distress to anyone. This has not changed in my nearly-25-years since being 11yo.

So why do I have chronic SI... because living is pointless and boring I guess? 😆

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Hi @AlwaysMyself,, I am glad you have been feeling a bit better today.. I hope that continues.. I think you are still keeping yourself busy with studying and doing craft and interacting with your group and peer worker, even though you are not currently working. I actually use being busy to distract myself from MH symptoms, even though at the same time I feel stressed by doing lots of things!

I understand the chronic SI as well, I have had it for over 30years sometimes it is more prominent than other times. Currently it is raised. We have discussed that I also have anhedonia, which also fluctuates ans is also currently on the high side. I am sorry I cannot offer any solutions. I'm just mentioning it so you know that you are not alone in those feelings (or not! if you are numb)

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

Yep, distractions help prevent until stopping doing things and then it kicks in with thoughts and fatigue lol @Till23 and I think @MissGremlin said similar to me today also (sorry if it wasn't you and was someone else!)

Feeling a bit less negative mood now, after having relaxed a little more after eating. Not such strong thoughts and mood now.

@Cuddlebear @Flutterbug9 @Chasingsunsets

If I were writing a grateful today, it would be "My laptop did not cark it when my softdrink accidentally split on it this evening". 😆 Phew! I am glad my instinct was "tip my laptop instantly so the liquid pours onto my lap instead of seeping into the keys more" 😅. Hope you enjoy this story too lol

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself i can never remember half of what I've said 😂. But yes it's something I've said before, distractions are great until you stop and then everything starts to hit hard again.

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Re: TW: The 'real' me inside - I come with an SI warning

@AlwaysMyself Hello lovely how are you?

I am glad the computer survived!

Yes distractions help but once you stop as you said the thoughts start kicking in.

How is your mood today?

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