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Shoulder to Shoulder: Veteran Families

Upcoming Webinar Q&A - Leave your questions here!

Upcoming Webinar Q&A - Leave your questions here!

Webinar Q&A -Leave your questions here!

If you would like to be apart of the Q&A section of our upcoming webinar, The Hidden Impact of Military Service on Families of Veterans with Ruth Clare, please respond to this post with any questions you would like answered before 7pm Wednesday July 9th.
If you miss the cut off to have your question featured in the webinar, that's okay we can keep the conversation going here! Feel free to post your question in this thread to have it answered by your peers, or Ruth here on the forums.

Here are some links to some helpful resources, as well as Ruth's books!

Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE's article)

Ruth's Books

- Enemy

- Beyond Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn

Studies

- 2023 Intimate Partner Violence among current and ex-serving Australian Defence Force personnel and families

- 2021 Perceptions of the impact of military life on Intimate Partner Violence and Abuse victimisation among civilian partners of UK military personnel

- 2014 Vietnam veterans family study

Video

You're Not in the Forces Anymore

Ruth's Website

We look forward to hearing from each of you, as all lived experience is different and offers a unique perspective.

For more information about the webinar, check out this post.

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Love this! I'd be curious to know how Ruth feels Adverse Childhood Experiences have manifested in her life, both as a child and now as an adult.

Tagging some members who may also have questions or thoughts ✌️

@EchoGirl @CJ130 @Cally1 @Heyyou @LG @Azalea @CarryOnPorkChop @Caring_wife

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Do you feel like children of veterans are left behind?

Do you feel that we need more support for families - like more publicly known?

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Hi. I’m a spouse of a current serving member. So grateful for this webinar.
I quite often feel lonely due to all the regular moving around and don’t always connect with people well. Do you think it’s just a mindset, as we know we won’t be there for long, so what’s the point?

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Thank you for your questions @Heyyou @WithTheMoon ! We look forward to hearing some insights to these questions.

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Hi Ruth, thank you for your willingness to discuss your personal experiences in a public forum. As a child of a Vietnam vet and a former wife of a Middle East vet, I am really keen to learn what strategies have you utilised to heal and move on from the unintentional emotional damage inflicted by loving a person who is experiencing the effects of PTSD? Thankyou

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Hey @0ddsidian
Growing up in a home with violence, psychological abuse and neglect left me in a pretty permanent state of anxiety.

I feel like my parents pretty much stopped parenting by the time I was eleven, my father because he left and we rarely saw him, and my mother due to mental health issues and addiction. No one really checked in on me or asked me how I was, which was really what it felt like for my whole childhood.

After Mum started drinking all the time, I lived in caretaker mode, doing everything I could not to be a burden to her, not to cost her any money and trying to help her to feel less sad and overwhelmed. I was very good at hiding what was going on from the outside world. I was an actor and a chameleon and a chronic people pleaser who adapted myself to try to be whatever anyone else wanted me to be because I felt like if anyone knew the "real me" they would run a mile. I was really good at putting on a confident and happy face but inside I felt pretty much worthless and unloveable.

I tried to numb my feelings, and participated in a fair amount of risk taking behaviour, especially alcohol use, which I imagine I might not have done to the extent I did, had there been people looking out for me. I made all my life decisions on my own, when in hindsight, I probably really could have used some advice.

My mum left to go into rehab in a city 700 kilometres away from where I lived when I was sixteen and starting year twelve. I opted to stay behind to finish school, but this meant I had the additional pressure of paying bills, doing all my cooking and cleaning and washing etc. while also trying to focus on my studies and keep the fact I was living without any parents hidden from school. I was always pretty good at school so I did okay, but I am sure I would have done a whole lot better if I had someone looking after me instead of having to look after myself.

Like many people who experienced a lot of adversity as children, I developed complex PTSD. I found trusting people really hard and would spend weeks worrying about tiny mistakes I had made. I isolated myself a lot and felt chronically unworthy and full of shame. I had a lot of negative self talk and went through phases of deep self loathing.

There was also an economic impact. Having to pay my own way from such a young age and not feeling like there was a safety net added to the feeling of constant stress. I never had any savings and often ended up paying rent on my credit card. I have spent a huge amount of money on therapy over the years to recover and try to ensure I didn't repeat the patterns of my past. I could probably have bought a house for the amount I have spent (given how old I am and how cheap houses were at the time!).

I don't regret the therapy, though it would have been nice to be a property mogul. I now have a happy marriage and lovely kids and I do everything in my power to be a good parent to them. They are my number one priority in life. I don't think I would have these relationships if I hadn't done the work to heal my attachment wounds, re-parent myself, regulate my nervous system etc. etc. So much therapy!!!

I am aware that I experienced 9 of the 10 adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) and people with 6 or more ACEs have a decreased life expectancy of 20 years. This honestly does play on my mind every single day because I really, really want to be there for my kids for as long as I can. I want to be an engaged grandparent to their children (if they have them), to help them through their whole lives and give them as much love and support as I can. I am worried that my capacity to do this might be cut short because of the physical impact of the ACEs (and the not always healthy numbing I have done over the years).

But I try not to dwell on this too much because it is not happening in this moment. It is outside of my control. And dwelling on everything that might go wrong in the future flips my nervous system into survival mode, which I work really hard to avoid where I can. My focus is on the present and trying to appreciate all the tiny, beautiful moments that happen in my life every day.

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There was a question last night in the chat. Do you think your ADHD is a direct result of some of what you experienced as a child @Ruth_Clare ?

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Thanks for posting this question @tyme

In relation to my ADHD...

ADHD is a genetic neurobiological developmental disorder. My understanding is that I came pre-loaded with an ADHD-style brain, but that my dad (and mum’s) trauma experiences epigenetically turned my ADHD genes on more fully.

The symptoms of my ADHD– hyperactivity, distractibility, poor concentration, racing thoughts and emotional reactivity – were made worse by growing up in a chaotic and unpredictable environment that also necessitated me living permanently in survival mode, with a body that was constantly flooded with cortisol and adrenaline.

I was only recently diagnosed with ADHD, so for a long time I attributed all my behaviour to trauma. Big emotional responses? Trauma. Constantly losing things? Dissociation due to trauma. Inability to filter out stimuli and hypersensitivity to noise? Hypervigilance due to trauma.

It was such a relief to discover that my brain was also wired differently, so a lot of things I saw as “damage” were actually in-built parts of the way my brain worked. I was then able to support myself in a different, more neurodivergent-friendly way.

I do think we need to do a lot more research into the links between trauma and neurodivergence. I also think we need to do more research into the prevalence of neurodivergence in military populations because it is a genetic condition and many, many children of veterans that I know are neurodivergent.

I recently posted about this on social media, and lots of people commented that the armed forces is full of people with autism and ADHD. I think this needs to be better understood because if you are trying to treat trauma without also supporting underlying neurodivergence, treatment isn’t going to be as effective.

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In answer to your question:

Do you feel like children of veterans are left behind? Do you feel that we need more support for families - like more publicly known?

There is very little acknowledgement of children of veterans as a category in their own right, and almost no recognition of the specific hardships they face, so I do believe children of veterans are being left behind.

When we talk about being the child of a veteran, people often think only of young children, but I think we need to expand the view to include adult children, many of whom are grappling with the consequences of their childhood experiences.

It is through understanding the ongoing, often lifelong, impacts of childhood trauma that we will start to take children’s experiences more seriously. Hopefully then we will prioritise tailored support for the whole family system to lessen the negative outcomes for all.

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