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Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Hi

I am keen to understand others experience with inpatient treatment orders, the law, advocacting for change. Recent experiences as my partner who attempted suicide, and our voluntary admission to hospital to get help, has caused me to look deep into the law and rights on this issue. For example the admitting doctor or pshyciatrist who enforces the ITO is not required to advise the client or partner that an ITO is being placed on them, for how many days etc. They are also not obliged to discuss treatment or medications with the client or partner. When an ITO expires there is no requirment for the pshyciatrist to have a discussion with the client, partner or family if they so choose. If the patient has dementia and alzheimers, and requests that the partner is contacted after being visited by a dr or pshyciatrist, this and multiple requests from the partner to be called can also be ignored. Look forward to hearing from anyone on this, I understand we have the right to complain, but that seems the only right we have. These actions seem very basic to me, and although it is not the intention of those involved in the recovery process, its a fact thats the law from what I can see and have read.

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Re: Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Hey @loum ,

I haven't looked too much into it except for the times when I've been on ITOs myself. I don't know the ins and outs, I just remember being very angry and upset. One time, I asked for a copy of the treatment order, and after a long time, they gave it to me, and it wasn't even signed, nor timed/dated correctly.

I've still got a copy of it, but it's too traumatic to look at.

Sorry, I can't help you any more than that.

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Re: Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Just to clarify something @loum

When @tymesays they can’t help you any more I’m sure they mean that they are happy to chat but they have no more information on the ITOs so they have exhausted their knowledge of that specific topic

Hope that’s ok to post @tyme - otherwise delete my comment

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Sadly I have been witnessing the consequences of involuntary hospitalisation since the 1970s, when I was 10. @loum

I will be discussing consequences more when I encounter psychiatrists socially.

I am pretty sure they have not done sufficient peer reviewed studies to convince me of the efficacy of many of those orders.

Personally I have never been under one, but now that I am an old lady I have a blooming lot of personal anecdotes regarding those matters.

I have researched in Melbourne University medical library ... In the norties. Not finished my observations yet.

Are you picking up a vibe I believe advocacy is important and necessary for the good of society?

Do what you feel you have to do to fulfil your conscience.

Yes, there was a recent change in Mental Health laws... Reducing maximum Treatment Order duration from 12 to 6 months. Yippee.

I think there maybe e few conscience twinges going on ... Among the powers that be. Sadly I believe too many laws in the field are focused on legal butt covering for professionals rather than clients or patients or those who get caught up in their system.

Good luck with your partner and your journey.

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Re: Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Of course it's okay @Till23 !

Thanks for clarifying.. must be mu neurodivergent brain going for a bit of a run for my money today lol.

Absolutely @loum - I meant I don't know any more about ITOs apart from what I've experienced because I've never looked into it.

But I can see that the millions of others who 'never look into it' can be affected and they may not even realise.

We need people like you to tell us @loum . I have to say, I have called a MH advocate before though. But my memory of what happened has escaped me - let's just say I wasn't in the best headspace when it happened.

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Sorry to hear that, hope you are on the mend. Yes its not a good experience, and I believe the way its managed in australia adds to the trauma for those its placed against and for those who have to care and take guardianship for those that cant, such as my partner that has dementia. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

Thanks for sharing, 100% agree (legal butt covering for professionals rather than clients or patients or those who get caught up in their system). Wishing you well

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Re: Inpatient Treatment Orders and Human Rights

It's true @loum . A lot of those caught up in the system are probably too unwell to deal with the legal side of it - unfortunately. I really hope your partner gets the support they need.

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Thanks, he has and all the best with you2
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