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Work mindset?

Work mindset?

Hi everyone.

I had to resign from my job because essentially because they didn’t know what to do with me, and they were really too fascinated about my disability, and it was very difficult to learn how to work, what the job was and how to navigate the office politics all at once. There were good aspects to the job, but it just got to the point where I felt that I was losing my colleagues’ respect every day. I came into the office and I didn’t know how to deal with it, I couldn’t fix it and the more I tried, the more they seemed to blame me for not coping.

So yeah, I’ve kind of fallen into a depression about this even though basically it was my decision to quit. I’m also under some pressure from family and friends to ‘live well as the best revenge’ and ‘look for the positives in your life’ when I’m kind of like… wishing there was some kind of button I could push and just not exist any more. I feel like I should give the SANE disclaimer that I’m safe etc. right now, hahaha. Also feeling kinda guilty that there are wars around the world, the world is burning, Australia said No, etc. and this is what’s making me feel blue. 😛

So I guess what I’m asking for is:

how do you build your confidence while being depressed?

And also just what resources have you found to be useful in talking about, thinking about, the world of work?

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Hi @Gwynn .

I'm afraid I don't have an answer for your query. In fact, with regard to your last question, I'm at a total loss, since I've struggled badly with this issue myself. All I know for certain is that traditional therapists won't help at all with this issue, due to "the golden rule of therapy", which forbids them from offering actual help with patients' real-world problems (i.e. unemployment).

I've heard vague suggestions that "career councillors" (I think they used to be called "occupational therapists"?) help with unemployment, and SANE recently ran a topic thread (https://saneforums.org/t5/Special-Events/Mental-Health-Month-what-is-psychosocial-support-and-recovery/td-p/1349220) about "Psychosocial support", which I believe encompasses employment. Since you mentioned you have a disability, I would think you would definitely qualify for "psychosocial support", if it could be of use to you.

But, to be honest, my main reason for replying to this thread was curiousity.

Your line:


@Gwynn wrote:

I had to resign from my job because essentially because they didn’t know what to do with me, and they were really too fascinated about my disability...


got me thinking about the recent report released by the Disability Royal Inquiry. Their final report pushed "inclusivity" really heavilly, and that agenda has been troubling me because I can see it causing at least as many problems as it solves. Your post basically illustrates one of my biggest concerns, where people are shoehorned in to an environment in an effort to "be inclusive", but instead of the newcomer melding in to become a regular member of the family, they remain a curiousity that everyone else just puzzles over and studies.

I'm not disabled, but I have been an incomprehensable outsider far too many times in my life to not view this "inclusivity" agenda of the report with a fair degree of scepticism. From my perspective, forcing people into environments where they won't genuinely fit in; where they will always be the elephant in the room, might sound good on paper, but in practice will typically lead to heartache for all concerned. I think most people, like myself, just want to be "one of the guys", instead of "a very unique individual who can add some interesting diversity to our environment."

I'd be really interested to know how you feel about this aspiration of the report, because it sounds like you've got some valuable front-line perspective.

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Hey there @Gwynn ,

Sounds like a tough space to be in.

I'm sorry to hear you had to step away from your job. Would you consider finding something more suitable?

As hard it was to 'fit in' with your job, I'm curious about whether you were able to speak to management about it?

Please know we are here if you want a chat.

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I disclosed my disability on accepting the job, as a bit of an experiment considering that in the past when I've disclosed earlier in the process, I have magically not been offered anything (to the point of getting phoned up and being told that the role is EXTREMELY physical, made it sound like I was signing up for the salt mines, was I ABSOLUTELY SURE I wanted to progress my application? - BTW this is illegal).

My understanding of the 'inclusivity' barrow is that any employer should be aware that any employee at any time might develop a disability and need reasonable adjustments for the role, in the same way that any employer is aware that women of childbearing age might become pregnant and require maternity leave. It's just that disability is so segregated and stigmatised that people don't think it can happen to them and therefore things aren't planned accordingly.

I wasn't actually interviewed by the people I was going to be working with, and my line manager made it pretty clear early on that the team felt like they'd been lumped with me when I tried to tell him that I felt unwelcome. Even though there was a diversity and inclusion officer, they and their manager didn't return my emails, and my line manager wanted me to give a presentation on what I can't do to my local team, like, on my first day. He wasn't interested in my professional accomplishments to date or work history, just wanted to know what I 'couldn't do' and thought that was fine.

Disability is sort of a combination of the impairment and the environment you're in. For example, having a lift in a building rather than having to take the stairs can make the first floor more accessible to people who use wheelchairs or otherwise have trouble with stairs.

The new notion of a disability pride month was also distressing to me, as it's hard for me to have pride in it in the first place, and my team kept treating me like my stress at not having stuff explained to me properly (& not being allowed to explain it back to them to check my understanding) was part of my disability.

Honestly, there is a bit of pressure to be a model minority - bringing one's lived experience to the role, and feeling like I couldn't just be adequate. This wasn't helped by the person who was equal to me in rank telling me off for asking her what jobs I could do sitting down (when she spent much of her day fruitfully engaged in god-knows-what at her computer - she never told me what she did...). She always pressured me to be on my feet and elsewhere - perhaps because I was sat behind her in the office?

They kept me on past my probation period, but my line manager never really had those kinds of chats with me about my performance - and even though he'd told me the whole team wanted me, I didn't really see much evidence of that, and he didn't explain why they wanted me.

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Hrmm... very 'interesting' to read that the team wanted you so much but you didn't see evidence of that @Gwynn .

It really makes me wonder...

Do you have supports in place to help you move forward from this? I hear how down you have been feeling about it.

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@Gwynn I resigned a month or two ago and am finding it a bit tough as well. It can be depressing having no vocation and no money coming in - the latter is an obvious concern, the former is an interesting one because many people (myself included) tend to wrap our personal identities around what we do in exchange for money.. which may not be a good thing! If you change vocations or quit your job then a major part of you feels like it's missing, and that's unsettling. You're still the same person you were before, but it doesn't feel like it.

Disclosing vs not disclosing is a difficult choice. It sounds like you've struck a good balance, and if the team felt like they were "lumped with" you then it's a lesson for them to interview prospective hires rather than leaving it to someone else!

I wonder if they were doing the corporate thing of "ticking a box" by saying they're inclusive, because that's the official company line, when they actually couldn't care less. That would explain the diversity and inclusion people never responding to emails too. If that's the case then the company misrepresented themself to you, and it's 100% their fault that things didn't work out because you were VERY open and honest with them.

Hopefully you find a better fit and a team that works for mutual success rather than getting mired in politics. Unfortunately it's pretty hard to figure out if that exists before you turn up for Day 1.

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There's a lot to reply to from your initial posts and the replies! But I might just share my story and how I navigate work

The thing that bothers me about a lot of the disability thing is that it's all lumped together. If you were hired to tick that "inclusivity quota" and not because they were actually and inclusive workplace, then that's disappointing. I considered myself disabled but it's more of a "invisible" disability, which requires employers to be very flexible with me. I have found an employer who actually understands this. She knows that I can't work long hours or too many hours a week and respects this. Granted, I'm only casual (as it's really the only way I can get around this flexibility) but she has offered as much or as little work as I want.

It's taken a long time to accept that I just can't work like everyone else. The last time I worked fulltime was when I lived at home with my parents and my mum did EVERYTHING for me, so all I had to think about was going to work and that was it. Acceptance is hard, really hard. I was so disappointed that my future would never involve a "career".

At the end of the day, work shouldn't be something where you don't get to be yourself. If your employer and colleagues don't accept you for you, they don't deserve you. You shouldn't have to bend to their rules, it should be the other way round. If you're on their team, they need to make accommodations for you. I think a lot of places have the capacity and resources to make accommodations but they just don't because of rigid thinking and not willing to change/try new things.

The world of work is a big frustration for me and I have a lot of emotions about it. My feelings about it wax and wane, sometimes it's a big deal and gets me riled up but other times I'm ok.

But, there is life outside work and that is something I can be positive about! I'm really lucky to have a supportive partner who works enough to provide for me, and I couldn't be more grateful for this. Honestly not sure what I'd do without him if I had to work more and had to pay for everything myself 😬

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I couldn’t have been hired as the diversity hire because they didn’t know before I accepted the verbal offer. I worked hard at my degree and had some charity shop experience and I understood the mission of the organisation and I aced the interview. It was just disappointing that when I found I needed reasonable adjustments, my line manager didn’t prioritise me getting those, and the colleagues who were my age discouraged me from taking any physical rest other than a short lunch break. (Even though they had non physical tasks they could do but I didn’t have enough experience to do).

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Thanks for asking what supports I have, @tyme. I’m dealing with some family pressure to just bounce back and keep rising, and I’ve got some internal pressure about feeling like I’m letting people down. I wish I’d had the opportunity to just walk into an entry level position in high school and have it just be a job, without the pressure of having it be my vocation, getting to develop work skills outside of my eventual profession, but I wouldn’t have been able to keep up with those kinds of roles physically.
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