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Managing thoughts of suicide & self-harm

Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

TideisTurningSenior Contributor10 Oct 2023, 4:44 pm AEDT

Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

On Tuesday 31st October, we’d like to invite you to join us to explore talking about suicide safely, caring for those living with chronic suicidality, and the importance of speaking out rather than suffering in silence, with a few of the SANE Team.

This discussion will likely be triggering for some as we talk about suicide. We strongly encourage you to take a moment to reflect if you are able to talk about this as you can always read through the discussion later. If you would like to participate, please take care of yourself first (including tapping out of the discussion if needed or reaching out for extra support) and be mindful of our guidelines, particularly around safety.

The event start times across Australia are below:

WA: 2:30pm
NT: 4:00pm

SA: 5:00pm

QLD: 4:30pm

NSW, ACT, VIC & TAS: 5:30pm

Want to receive a reminder on the night? Hit the 'Support' button below and we will tag you 30 minutes before the event starts.

New to the forums or want to get involved in this discussion? Check out the How To Guide for Topic Tuesdays.

Hope to see you there in the chat on the night!

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In response to: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

lemlem678Senior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:12 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

@Snowie and they don't realise how much we already think about our actions and not wanting to hurt others. Most of us feel like a burden and that it would be better for us to be gone. We know it will cause pain but feel that pain is better than continuing to be a burden day in day out on people.

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amber22Senior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:13 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

That's okay that you feel that way, everyone copes with things differently as well. It sounds like you are really empathetic to their family and friends and people that would be impacted by their loss though. I'm sorry that this has happened @Dyna13 ❤️

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chibamSenior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:13 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

@Snowie wrote:
I was just told that I was being selfish, that I should think of how my actions will hurt others.

Oh yeah. I been there, too. @Snowie .

Although ironically, at other points in my therapy, I was criticized about my dedication towards making others happy and told "What does it matter what other people thing? Do what you want to do!"

So you try to work that one out. I've never been able to.

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TideisTurningSenior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

For @Snowdragon: Why are safety plans important? How might they be helpful?

For the community: Have you ever had any experiences with safety plans (for yourself or someone else)? @Dyna13 @lemlem678 @Captain24 @Snowie @chibam @Shaz51 @puzzlingdino

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SnowieSenior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

@lemlem678 I feel like just a burden too

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SnowdragonContributor31 Oct 2023, 6:15 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

Safety planning is a brief intervention designed to lower the imminent risk of suicidal behaviour and to develop a hierarchy of coping strategies for people to use when distressed.

As a therapeutic intervention, safety planning can:

Acknowledge both the severity of a person’s distress and that they have existing skills to manage their emotions.
Communicate a belief in the person’s ability to cope.
Provide an avenue for engaging the person and encouraging them to be actively involved in their care.
Help a person build their self-efficacy and acknowledge existing skills
Encourage adaptive help-seeking skills.
Allow for a discussion of what is important for the person: their interests, important people and enjoyable activities.

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Captain24Senior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:15 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

I have a safety plan and I have updated it a few times. However in the moment it’s too late for me

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amber22Senior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:15 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

Safety plans can be really helpful for your carers/ supporters/ mental health professionals/ loved ones to know as well so that they can help you as best as they can with what works for you while you’re feeling suicidal. Specifically on the SANE Forums, it can be helpful for the moderators to know how to best support you in these times too.

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chibamSenior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:15 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

@amber22 wrote:
I'm so sorry that it's been so long for you to experience those thoughts. I can only imagine how hard that would be for you, and I am really glad that you're still here with us in this discussion tonight.

Are there things that help you when you are experiencing those challenging thoughts? @chibam

They aren't challenging thoughts, @amber22 ; it's an appalling reality. Preferring death to living like this isn't irrational, or any other sort of brain malfunction.

But to answer your question, no, there is no help. Just a lot of sitting around and watching the clock.

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lemlem678Senior Contributor31 Oct 2023, 6:16 pm AEDT

Re: Topic Tuesday// Suicide: You Can Talk About It// Tuesday 31st October 2023 5:30-7PM AEDT

@chibam there is something called the Commonwealth Psychosocial Program that some organisations offer. But most of them only go for like 6 weeks or something like that. Some do have a program that goes for 2 years but they are hard to get on to I think.
NDIS gatekeep support for people who have flown down the river and fallen to the bottom of the waterfall but still make it so hard to get that support and funding.

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