SANE FORUMS - CODESIGN MAJOR REVIEW

Thanks for tag @Dimity

I was not present for conversation @tyme mentioned, yes finding genuine balance between safety and inclusion is much trickier than having a few safety guidelines or inspectors floating around.

Yes I am interested, but I am careful about feeling pressured to conform, as I am such a bloomin people pleaser I compromise before I realise. I wish predictatext was not a thing, cos I have to keep correcting it, but I am old fashioned.

@MDT I don't either!

What is a codesign? @tyme

Hi @tyme

It’s so lovely to hear from you - thank you so much for tagging me 💜

This sounds really interesting and I would love to be a part of these conversations 😊

Take care,

ShiningStar 💜

Count me in, @RachSANECEO .

@Historylover, don't think I saw your name tagged anywhere above. Just letting you know about this thread incase you missed it. 🙂

You're very thoughtful, @chibam, but I'm not interested. I think the forum is as good as it can be. Change isn't necessarily improvement. Too many cooks spoil the broth. 😊

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@RachSANECEO wrote:
Great question.

Co-design is a way of working together; we want to improve the forums - how they work; what they offer and rather than SANE just making changes we want to partner with forum members on what changes you want to see.

Co-design is a structured way of doing that.

Here is a website that explains some more about co-design:

https://alivenetwork.com.au/

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Thanks for explaining, @RachSANECEO 🙂

The first question I have is why is the survey being formulated without member input first in what should be in it? @RachSANECEO If the syndication partner organisations are those being initially consulted then the survey itself will naturally be skewed towards their needs and therefore not necessarily relate to those of the forum members themselves. There is no point putting out a survey that does not correlate to the needs of the forum issues when members have not had that input.

This is a major issue with so many of the surveys, working groups/consultations that happen in the wider MH field. The latest 'consultation' by the National Mental Health Commission did the same - the results were pre-determined by the questions they asked and little or no scope was given to actually 'hear' what people were actually saying.

The first step in this co-design SHOULD be an open invitation to our (considerable) membership to bring up the issues they see/have with the forums AND THEN a comprehensive survey designed for all members to have the opportunity to complete.

This process should also not just be posted in the forums but sent out to all members in the form of a newsletter or email with the scope to submit questions an/or issues without it being on the open forum ...as not everyone is confident nor feels safe bringing some of those issues up on an open forum.

As for the scope for members to contribute and some be paid for their time - whilst I understand that is policy for SANE and most organisations now - it does also exclude others' voices when the threshold has been reached.

I am, of course, very vocal in my advocacy for member contributions in this field but am also disillusioned by previous such 'consultations' where there has been a lack of follow-up or indeed ongoing communication with and for the members. I do hope this is different but apprehensive about the actual input the community will have in such changes.

More than happy to continue the discussion, be involved and most importantly advocate for the members here that have collectively so much knowledge, insight and contributions to make.

Hiya @Zoe7

these are great questions.

current state of “draft survey” is a list of themes and possible questions that I’ve put together after reviewing past feedback and complaints and suggestions from members. They’ve definitely come from member feedback- next step I’m hoping will be form a group of forum members to look at the long list and help refine- ideally in a subgroup here in the forums but if not probably in some sort of similar online group space like we used for Audit.

It’s a little bit chicken and egg but my aim is certainly that the survey gets really rich insights into what people want and then a member group reviews that and helps determine what happens next.

actual process probably will be quite multi-tiered; but will stick to co-design principles (co-production is my goal).

we will also get all this out via EDM as you suggest; I wasn’t quite ready to put it all out on the weekend but another thread referenced it (because we have shared with some of the members who have given feedback recently that we were planning to undertake a process) and since it was starting to filter into the forums I thought better to share with all at this point. Hope that makes sense?

I also did post late last year about wanting to design a process and get member input but didn’t get a lot of responses. It’s a bit tricky to start these sorts of things when there hasn’t been much structural codesign governance group formation in the past so we are sort of trying to create groups to govern the creation of groups to develop codesign surveys….!!! Hope that makes some kind of sense-

can we count on you to be a codesigner?

cheers

Rachel