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Don't know anymore

Hello,

I don't even know where to start, minus points...

I have no friends, seriously not 1 friend, I am obese, I am unemployed, I'm diabetic, I have no family here except my wife and young children (I'm English wife is Aussie), I'm in my 50s, dr has told me I'm heading for a heart attack or stroke, we live in a city we hate, my wife and I don't get along anymore, I'm just so tired all the time, I have zero energy, I can't be bothered to feed myself that's how tired I am, there's more but I'm tired and can't really be bothered to think of it.

Positives,

I love my kids-ages 1-6, 2 boys 1 girl, I'm just finishing my cert III in individual care (that I hate doing)

I'm tired, fed up, don't want to work in aged care, I've suffered from depression and anxiety for 35 years, I just want to sleep all the time.

If I wasn't so tired and scared I'd **** myself, I've just had enough and can't envision living like this for much longer.

Sorry for the rambling.

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Hello @PrinceNelson and welcome to the forums. There are lots of supportive people here with lived experience who are willing to share their story.

I’m sorry you hate your city where you are living but I’m sure you could find one nice thing about it to brighten your day. It either has a harbour or a river and if the sun is shining that’s a plus.

Its a shame about your health issues but great that you have little ones to love. Our children are great at sharing their unconditional love with us.

There’s no quick fix for depression but I’m glad you've reached out here today. Take care.

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Hi @PrinceNelson

Rambling is Ok. Trying to deal with all the stuff you are trying to deal with all at once isn’t.

I was just talking to a young guy on another forum and telling him that to deal with a big complex problem like this you need to break it down into little bits and work on the bits one at a time starting with the most important. Of course determining what is the most important is never easy.

Another major problem you mentioned is low energy. Doing mental health (MH) work on yourself requires energy, often lots of it. If you don't have any energy to start with you are like a car that has run out of petrol. Your not going to be going anywhere.

Perhaps your first task is to get some “petrol”. What are your thoughts about that and how would you go about it?

In my experience what you are trying to do here is a good and very important thing. You are reaching out to a mental health support community. When I did that more than 30 years ago with a physical support group, it completely changed my life in a very positive way. Am I fully “cured”? – Nah. Probably not even close but I live with my hallucinations and delusions well enough these days and sometimes they are even fun. I’m well into my seventies and still battling monsters both real and imaginary. Comfortably crazy I suppose you could say.

This particular forum has it’s limitations. It is kind of like writing letters to each other which is rather ponderous and cumbersome. It is not conversational which many forums are. A conversational style of forum or a conversational facility with the forum makes communication much easier. A few of us are trying to get things changed but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

Anyway here we are so we might as well try and make the best of it.

If you want to get in touch with me at any time just put @Willy at the top of your post and it will go straight to my email. I am online most days and that way you will get a response as soon as I can get around to it. In time you will get to know other people on this forum so you can @someone or at @ a whole bunch of people. Hopefully in this way you will soon build a support group which to my mind is an essential first step.

This of course is only a start but I hope it gives you at least a small glimmer of hope. I have been there. I know what this s***t is like.

Regards

Willy

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Hey @PrinceNelson,

I am one of the Peer Support workers here at Sane.

Just checking in to see how you are doing tonight....

Xx

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@Former-Member

I'm ok thanks for asking, kids are home from school so they're taking my mind off things a little.
Again, thank you for asking, it's nice to think someone is there...

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The forums can be a good space to get some contact with minimal pressures.

Kids can be a good distraction @PrinceNelson. What are you the little cherubs up to tonight?

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@PrinceNelson

You said - I feel like I've tried every drug going etc.
For what it is worth the statistics show that medication only works well for about 20% of people, doesn’t work at all for about 30% and has anything between mild and horrific side effects with reducing efficacy for the other 50%. As for diagnosis it has been well established that it is more or less meaningless and doesn’t usually lead to any worthwhile interventions. The brain/blame game is still the mental health model used by a majority of people and mental health professionals throughout the world. I am told about 80% of the population and nearly 100% of the psychiatric profession are true believers in this model of enlightenment which claims that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. The solution of course is to correct this imbalance with medication. The medical profession formally disclaimed this idea about 30 years ago but never seemed to have got around to telling anybody. As for the blame bit, well if nothing else works, blame somebody. The government, your wife, your dog. Anything will do. It might even make you feel a tad better for a little while.
With that said, I do think that medication can be useful at times if both you and your prescriber understand what it can and can't do and use it wisely. Unfortunately this is often not the case.

You said: I’ve done so much CBT that I could write a book on the subject. You also mentioned that you come from the UK.
I have some online friends with MH problems who live in the UK. The things I hear about the use of CBT based therapies within the NHS would make your hair stand on end. You may even be able to add to my collection of horror stories.

The problem I see with CBT and all these other related therapies is that they are merely techniques which are all to easily used in a mindless, mechanical cookie cutter way to try and reshape peoples lives. People are not roles of pastry waiting to be stamped into a socially acceptable shape and then shipped off as an economically viable packaged person. At best these therapies provide a template that a wise, sensitive and empathetic guide may be able to use to help someone move forward a little on their life journey in search of wholeness. At worst they are a cruel and brutal process for chopping people up and creating even further fragmentation to an already damaged psyche.

You said: “I'm really at a loss as to what to do anymore”.
Ok you have tried everything that doesn’t work, what about trying something that could work?
As said, you have already taken the first step by reaching out to a mental health social support network. Is it possible to extend this further? Look around your community. I am sure that there are many people out there with MH problems who would be very grateful for your friendship. Some of my best and dearest friends have had serious mental illness. So serious in fact that the MH authorities regarded many of them as being beyond help. I’m not far from that situation myself. The myth that we are dangerous, stupid, incompetent, pathetic people are just myths in fact as a collective we are probably more able than most to sit back and see the world for the joke it is. You have one fantastic advantage over most people. You have many years of suffering. You know first hand what it is like.

Before you reach out further to others you probably need to muster some energy hence my other suggestion that you “put some petrol in your tank” and try and get moving. You are an expert on you. Others can make suggestions but it is up to you to make the move. The usual advice which seems to work pretty well for most people is to take it one day at a time one step at a time. If that seems a bit much then resort to baby steps.
I have added a list of references to this post. I am not suggesting for one minute you try and read any of them. They are mostly dry academic articles. I put them here to try and keep the SANE forum moderators happy and comply with their rules. As you can probably guess by now, my views of mental health are not mainstream for the simple reason that like you, I found that years and years of main stream stuff simply didn’t work.

Regards
Willy

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Hi @Willy,

Thank you for your response. We appreciate you sharing your journey and beliefs with us. I can see that your lived experience has been very significant and important to you.

I respect and acknowledge your experience and appreciate your thoughts and the time you have taken to research and post this. Whilst everyone is entitled to the opinion everyones journey is different and unique - some people may have just been recently diagnosed for instance, and for others (like yourself and a close family member of mine) have been navigating mental health and the mental health system for a longer time.

Just in case this discussion raises anything triggering for anyone or causes any distress or questions here are some support contacts:

- 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732

- Blue Knot Foundation on 1300 657 380

- BeyondBlue on 1300 224 636

I would also encourage anyone who would like to talk about anything that raises concerns or questions around this topic to speak to their GP or a professional they trust. This is in no way a reflection on your opinions or your experiences which are completely valid Willy. My family member (that I referred to above and was diagnosed 20 years ago) also has a unique view around the mental health system and mental health treatments, this is just in case anyone would like to talk to someone further around this topic.

I wish you all the best and thank you for taking the time to post, your opinions and your research.

Warm regards,

FloatingFeather

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@FloatingFeather

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say.

Could you try being a little more specific.

Regards

Willy

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