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Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

In this week's Career Chat we ask the question - How do you get a job after a long time off with mental illness?

Being out of work may mean gaps in resumes, being out of the 'loop', feelings of isolation and lowered self confidence. The process may seem daunting...

Yet there are things you can do to support your journey back into work after being away with MI, please join @Renstar from Ostara to share and discuss on Friday at 12pm AEDT.

Two things you can do now:

1) Hit the 'like' button below to get an email reminder on the day

2) Can't make the session? Leave your question below.

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In response to: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Some articles summarised here offer more insight into finding work after mental illness ...


WORK? I’M TERRIFIED!
When contemplating the idea of going back to work, many fears and questions can arise. These are normal. Often a person’s self-esteem and confidence has been affected, and they feel incompetent to do the job. They worry about how they will cope. Will the workload be too much? Will they be discriminated against or will colleagues gossip? Will things be too much and trigger a relapse, or worsen their condition?

These fears and worries can snowball, and soon enough, they can be paralyzing. It’s enough to be recovering or coping with a mental health condition without all these worries on top of it! However, most fears are really just that—fears—and though they may seem overwhelming, the reality is there are things that can be done to ensure a smoother transition back into work, and these fears minimized.

BENEFITS OF WORK
You do not have to be 100% well to return to work. Indeed many studies show that working has a therapeutic affect upon mental illness, and can contribute to recovery; hence the benefits outweigh the downsides.

The benefits include:

  • Helps to promote recovery and rehabilitation
  • Improved financial situation, and thus, greater control over one’s life and choices
  • Increases confidence and self-esteem
  • Creates a feeling of contribution and social inclusion
  • A greater sense of identity and purpose
  • Greater independence
  • Improved general mental health
  • The opportunity to make friends (Mental Illness Foundation of New Zealand, 2007)

ISN’T WORK STRESSFUL?
There is no doubt that work can sometimes be stressful, and some jobs moreso than others. However everyone’s level of stress tolerance is different, and what may stress one person severely may have little impact on another. In managing a return to work, it is helpful to understand what stresses you. Is it working alone? Is it juggling many tasks? Is it deadlines? Is it feeling like you don’t know what you are doing?

STRESS NOT THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
Note that although these may be stressors for some people, another person may find them ideal. For example, some people prefer working alone, some people are stimulated by managing many tasks, others are invigorated and enjoy the adrenalin rush created by deadlines, feeling like you don’t know what you are doing can be a reason some people use to challenge themselves to master a task. As you can see by these examples, one person’s stressor can be another’s stimulation or work satisfier. It's important to identify what stimulates you, and what stresses you.

BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE RISKS
However, just like a doctor weighs up the benefits against the risk of side-effects when prescribing a drug, so too have studies found that the beneficial effects of work outweigh the risks of work, especially against the harmful effects of long-term unemployment or extended sick-leave (Waddell & Burton, 2006).

Work, even if a person is not 100% well, is generally good for well-being and quality of life.

COMMUNICATION-THE KEY TO SOLUTIONS
Fears about returning to work are normal. Rather than keep your fears to yourself, talk them over with your Employment Consultant. He or she is in the best position to assist you in allaying your fears, and to ensure strategies are put in place that will assist you.

SPEAK UP ABOUT SUPPORTS
Consider what support(s) you might need in the workplace, and also what stresses you. Although it can sometimes be difficult to ask for help (many of us think we should just tough it out for fear being seen as a ‘wuss’), if you are honest beforehand about your concerns, then your Employment Pathway Plan can include these as a consideration.

Additionally, if your concerns are known, your manager is in a better position to accommodate you, and make what’s known as ‘reasonable adjustments’. It’s worth a little discomfort or embarrassment to let people know beforehand what may become a problem for you so that supports can be implemented, before it has a chance to escalate.

REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS
Commonly, when people think about ‘reasonable adjustments’, they think of changes like an access ramp for a wheelchair, or modified computer for the sight-impaired. However when it comes to mental illness, ‘reasonable adjustments’ may take a different form. Here are some examples:

FLEXIBLE WORKING HOURS
If you are affected by medication that leaves you drowsy in the morning, it may be possible to negotiate with your employer for a later start.
You may also need flexibility to attend counseling or medical appointments
Sick leave arrangements, without pay may be appropriate.
Adjusting work schedules so that you are working at your peak times. In many circumstances, it doesn’t matter whether the work is done to a strict schedule, (and sometimes, where), as long as it is completed, and on time.
Part time or casual work is often the best way to start out, gradually building up hours as your work ‘muscle’ strengthens, and you feel able to take on more.
OTHER ADJUSTMENTS
Having a private space to work, if needed, especially if noise aggravates mental illness.
Taking breaks-ensure there is somewhere you can take a break or ‘time out’ if you need to.
Having written instructions instead of verbal instructions; or a white board you can refer to.
These are just some examples of adjustments that can be made that will save you the anxiety of trying to work in a way that might sabotage your performance. The important thing is to talk with your manager and Employment Consultant, no matter how silly you think your needs might be. Most adjustments are really quite simple to implement. The key is to be creative, sometimes the simplest things work wonders.

COMPANY SUPPORTS
Some organisations offer counselling and other assistance through their Employee Assistance Program (EAP), run by an outside company that offers confidential telephone or face to face counselling. Ask HR or your manager.

FIND A MENTOR
If it is a large enough organisation, it can be helpful to have someone in another department as a mentor, whom you can meet with and discuss any problems or issues you may have. They can provide advice without being directly involved.

BUDDY SUPPORT
It may be possible to have a buddy support with a colleague who is available to act as a sounding board and be willing to assist you with tasks.

KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOUR MANAGER
Review meetings with your manager enable you to talk about any problems you may be having. It is important to let your manager know if you are having difficulties. If you can, go into the meeting with an idea of what you think might help solve the problem. The important thing is to keep the lines of communication open. Although sometimes problems can seem overwhelming, talking about them will often yield a solution.

VOLUNTEERING
Volunteering in an area of interest can be a way to gradually ease yourself back into the working life, while giving you experience that will improve your chances of getting a job. Sometimes, volunteering positions lead directly to an offer of employment. Volunteering has the added benefit of raising self-esteem.

BE KIND TO YOURSELF
If you’ve been out of work for a while, your confidence and self-esteem may have taken a beating. It’s normal to feel anxious when starting a new job, or going back to your prior employment. And if you have been dealing with a mental health condition as well, this anxiety can take on a life of its own, sometimes making it all seem too hard. While it may seem scary at first, work can turn out to be a surprisingly positive influence upon your overall well-being. While some people may always have to cope with a mental illness, given the right job with the right supports, you can experience a significant improvement in your quality of life. Three or six months into the job, you may be wondering why you were so worried in the first place. It’s worth working through fears and anxieties to get there.

REFERENCES:
Mental Health Foundation of New Zealand, 2007, ‘Return To Work: Returning to Work after experiencing mental illness and other mental health issues’ Auckland, www.mentalhealth.org.nz

Waddell, Gordon & Burton, Kim 2006, ‘Is Work Good For Your Health and Wellbeing?’ The Stationery Office, Norwich, UK

In response to: Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Today's forum was about exploring the road toward finding work after a mental illness experience or even with the experience of having MI ..

So ... according to many, when searching for work the ideal is to express (starting with your cover letter) that time off work was due to a sabbatical, freelancing, taking care of family or anything except disclosing mental illness ... This isn't necessarily my opinion but it's out there as an option in a big way ...

Also volunteering is a very feasible option and @Former-Member is currently considering this as a next step - which I think is fabulous don't you? Love to hear back about how it turns out @Former-Member!

Finally there are many things to be done before being job ready and studies show its beneficial to start the work process even before you're ready, to give yourself plenty of time to get used to the changes in your life ... and

make necessary modifications as needed.

Also, although I didn't post about it, I read an article by Norwegian scientists which looked at 'dream catcher life coaches' ... As a way to mentor/life coach you back into the work force.

-- interesting !! 😃

That is all from me but feel free to post until 5 when the forum will close... Meantime ... Enjoy your weekend and chat next week 😊

In response to: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

So sorry @Renstar. I was called out. I will read through. I realise your logging off but just wanted to apologise. Thanks. I'll add any questions on here or on another career chat day. Thanks so much💜😊

In response to: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

  • Thanks for inviting me Suzanne.I had a Group interview on Wednesday got a call back to have a one on one interview Monday worried for following reasons:

*Why have you been out of the workforce for four years . Worried what to say and know I will have to cover up. Don't won't to mention anxiety and depression.Dont want to be judged on it.

*Worried about putting me in a area of work it is Supermarket work that is full on as stated in interview the other day I don't mind packing shelves but don't want pressure that I can't handle due to extreme anxiety and depression -have failed at a cleaning job 4 years ago.A lot of people don't last at this workplace but I took it as a reflection on me.Petrified I will be a disaster.

*Worried about how to handle people.Due to what I have been through including reaction to antidepressants in 2013 which caused months of agitation and ticks from 3 days of being on them.I shut myself off from people I know can't handle the questions,and don't talk to people I know will upset me.I feel more comfortable with people I don't know-less judgemental.

*Left work in a small town 4 years ago due to workplace bullying and atmosphere after 20 years,I still get agitated and upset when I see these people.For the past few years I have always shopped during work hours so I don't run into these people.Concerned about Confrontation.The thought of being a checkout operator with these people as customers I fear.Im not one who is good with polka face.Im one who cannot cover well.

*Worried about my references,they are old. I'm could never volunteer due to feeling ashamed ,my attitude against it or being too down with anxiety and depression.Please don't judge me on this,I just couldn't handle the shame of it.Thats how I saw it.Had a relatiion come to my door who knew I couldn't get a job .I hardly knew her even though I am related and she said she was trying to help me it wasn't"help".

*My constant problem in life.I was a very obese child and weight battles lost 55 kgs in late 20s lost over 100 kgs in my lifetime and this year due to change in lifestyle and no job,severe depression and anxiety,have put weight on.I have to ask for a three quarter sleeve shirt or long sleeve due to excess skin and "batwings".Which means I can't wear their xmas t shirts or promo shirts.Realise the trauma of obesity and constant dieting contributed to my spiral of burnout/breakdown from society in 2012.

*When the job was advertised it stated 8 hour shifts on group interview only 4.I live 30 minutes away don't want to wear my car out.The job I failed at 4 years ago was in same town and only 4 hours,hardly worth the effort and cost.

Worried if I fail how it will affect me know I can slide into depression,and have been so bad been ready to admit myself to hospital early November.

The discussion mentioned Tafe or courses.I did Business Administration,Community Services Certificate II (which I realize was a waste of time needed Certificate III in Disability etc.)and First Aid.I think it's sad how the government took away if you are on welfare you could do a course because when you aren't well to cope with job search requirements,learning is a good therapy for the mind plus the socialization it allows.

In response to: Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Hi @Former-Member,

Unfortunately, this conversation finished earlier today and @Renstar won't be around until next Friday. But I thought I might add some thoughts if I may. I'm no career expert, but from what you've written, it seems like there's a few concerns about this new job. Employment in many ways, I think, is like a relationship. It goes two ways, and also has to be a good fit for you. The job interview is not only a chance for them to get to know you, but also a chance for you to get to know them. For instance, perhaps you could ask them if they could consider having you on longer shifts rather than four hour shifts. If they so no, then you can weigh up whether the job is inconvenient for you. Think about your needs and whether this job can meet some of these, and if it doesn't then you can consider if you can be flexible around your needs without it coming at detriment to your health.

In response to: Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Re: Career Chat // Finding a job after a long time out of the workplace // Friday 21 Oct. 12 pm AEDT

Thanks for advice Cherrybomb.Yes I try to just take it as it comes.If they ask me about doing a busy part that they mentioned the other day I think I will say I would prefer to start filling shelves which is what I applied for to start with until I feel more confident.Might sound unenthusiastic?Any suggestions .I will just take it as a interview.I was surprised to be called back out of the group of nine with other groups interviewed who had retail experience so as you say it's a two way fit.Sorry I missed the forum.

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