FORUMS

Connect with people who understand what you are going through, seek advice and surround yourself with support. We're free, anonymous, and professionally moderated 24/7.

  • 47,612Members
  • 1,358,869Posts
  • 1,400,000Visitors
Friends, families and carers

Advice on sleep deprivation

Advice on sleep deprivation

Hi Everyone!

I will try to make this brief!!

I'm really looking for advice on how seriously I need to be concerned for my friend.

(Long term mental health diagnosis that is being managed by treatment team in the community )

Over past few months he has developed symptoms, possibly similar to how I imagine bipolar disorder presents. (His treating team are aware)

My main issue or concern is that he goes several nights without sleep. He is deeply focused on his activity. I need to motivate & remind him to eat.

He is prescribed fairly strong sedative to help during these times, yet they have no effect.

Currently we are on day 2 (no sleep 2 nights). It generally lasts 3-4 nights. I have usually been calling triage on the 3rd night.

I am concerned because of the 4 day weekend ahead. His usual case manager will not be available.

I guess, I am asking - 'Is there something more I should be doing?'

I'm not sure how serious symptom this is considered to be. Has he been overlooked by the system? Or would this be considered a "managable in the community" type behaviour? - & what I'm doing (by contacting triage/case manager & providing information) is correct & enough.

Thankyou for reading. maddison xx

28 replies

11 - 20 of 28

In response to: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Hugs @maddison - you're such an awesome friend 🙂

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Thankyou @tyme 🙂 hugs for you too xx

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Hello @tyme @Youareworthy @Former-Member

How are you all?

I am a older since we last chatted..A Grand final birthday - I turned 45😱... It's good😊 will take me a moment to get used to it.

I wanted to update my situation. I have returned home now, after being to Officeworks to print photocopies & then hand in around 20 page document to my friend's Mental health care facility.

I printed out 3 copies. 1 for myself, 1 for his case manager & 1 for his treating psychiatrist.

It has been an intense long weekend. I tried to document my friends sleep & diet issues, over period of 5 days. I decided that was sufficient, to give his nurse/dr a general insight. 2 weeks worth would likely be too overwhelming to read. It was also quite draining on me to document.

I included a 3 page Introduction. This outlined my intentions in providing info, such as concerns about him being under-treated & my needs to take a step back as his support person after 10+ (we have known each other for 20) years of being his primary central resource.

I outlined, what I believed were his most significant issues that need to be addressed. I listed 8 things that I think were of significant importance & require more intense professional attention.

I emphasised that this was not about blame & that part of what I wrote was me venting. I added that sharing my perspective was potentially valuable in offering insight as to how things are seen from a 'non-professional' viewpoint.

Lastly, I concluded with 2 pages of Ideas/Implementations. I explained these were merely brainstorming, potential remedies. I mentioned my awareness that its probably impossible to implement all, however if only half could be achieved, it could still potentially improve our lives considerably.

I included ideas, not only for my friend, but for all patients & how their position may be made easier. One of my suggestions, that might of interest was that more peer workers be available & involved in patient care😊 My personal perspective is that peer workers hold a very unique & powerful position - as you probably already know!

On the drive home, I was surprised I started tearing up in the car. It felt like a big mix of emotions. Relief, fear, sadness, strength, letting go.

I haven't ever done anything like this before.

I am intrinsically fearful of questioning & asserting myself with authority. I am frightened my actions will backfire & they will see me as a problem or instigator. I am scared that my friend will incur the consequences of my actions.

I guess, if I sense the tiniest fraction that this is occurring - then I have the option to take my concerns higher..... Or sit back & do nothing!! Change & advocacy is confronting I have found.

If you feel at all proud of my accomplishments, & I think I definitely do - I want you to feel equally, or more proud of yourself for helping me. @tyme @Youareworthy @Former-Member I would never have been this brave without your help & guidance.

Let's hope my friend can enjoy the rest of his life & not suffer as he has all these years.

It is up to him to make the choice to want more. His support networks are being strengthened.

******. *******. *******. *****

I might need a couple of days to reset. I feel good & calm👍 I might not be as active on the forums this week. Then again - the forums can be my safe place.

Thanks for reading & being there for me & my friend. esp @Youareworthy You sound like the type of person I would love to be friends with too.

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

@tyme @Former-Member @Youareworthy if anyone has a moment to offer quick honest feedback, I would appreciate it

I feel like I've done the right thing. I certainly didn't write anything even close to abusive, or even controversial.

When I stated that it was 20 pages - I perhaps should have mentioned it was hand written. If it was typed up, maybe 3 or 4 pages.

I think regardless if people's egos are bruised - communication is important. If they are professional at their job, they would welcome my experience & insight.

Feeling uneasy & curious at the reaction, (from health staff) if any - I'm out of my comfort zone

Thanks.

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

I have re-read the document. I believe it is excellent & stand by it 100 percent.

I explained everything to my housemate about what I had been up to & all the important parts I had written down. I let him know that I needed to get all his health concerns out of my head. It is unfair to him & me that he is being treated by me & a Google. I explained that all this information is in the hands of professionals & hopefully🤞 he will get professional treatment.

I looked at him. He was really quiet. The only thing he said was, 'thankyou.'❤️

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

How beautiful to be able to help someone you care about @maddison and have that recognition from them 💓 your friend is so lucky to have you.

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Thankyou @Paperdaisy your support & all the other lovely members, has played a critical part & we are both very grateful xx.

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

hey @maddison thank you for tagging me and I would LOVE to give you feedback ❤️

Firstly, wow. You are an absolute powerhouse. I can absolutely understand why you need a break because you have advocated for your long-term friend to people where it is REALLY difficult to do that to. I still feel yucky about advocating because, like you, questioning and asserting myself with authority figures is so scary. I agree, you should be super proud of yourself.

Secondly, I think it's so understandable to that you questioned yourself through this process. The world we live in tells us that our lived experience/peer point of view isn't as valuable. And all of the emotions you felt on the drive home are incredibly understandable given the time, energy and context of the situation. How are you feeling now?

Thirdly, acknowledging in yourself that being a main support person has take it's toll on you, is huge. I imagine some of your feelings might relate to that too? We're here to support you through any changes ❤️

I have no constructive feedback at all. And I'm so glad that you stand by what you did. Because it was an enormous effort. I can't wait to keep following along with this for updates ❤️

Please take care and rest up!

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Your support is Everything to me right now @Former-Member

I found all the points you touched on to be helpful, relevant & caring. Thankyou.

Thankyou for taking the time to read my journey. It makes me feel like it's a road trip rather than a solo mission!

I value your enthusiasm, in sitting with me now & looking forwards.

I was about to write an update, & saw your reply. It must be divine intervention - as I am feeling so glum after today's developments.

My friend's CM texted me first thing this morning, re: my concerns. Her reply to my enormous efforts was very disappointing. It even went as far as suggesting I was to blame, in the few short words she wrote.

Later in the day, I saw her at the clinic as I escorted my friend there. She wouldn't look at me, or say hello.

I could vent on here, about all my feelings, how unprofessional I felt she was, how ultimately sad I am that this is the type of crap my friend has to endure....etc etc...I think it's all been said before though!

I think the phrase is - I was shocked, but not surprised, or similar.

I think I sensed, that this would be the outcome, & why I was feeling cautious. Maybe, it explains why I haven't taken these steps before.

Last night, I was so full of hope & believing I had the power to innitiate change. Today, I feel miserable about the reality, that even if other people want change too - they are currently unable to allign themselves in a meaningful way.

One day, I was describing my friends new case manager to my neighbour. My neighbour said, "Oh, she sounds very officious."

I think it describes her perfectly.

POSITIVES

My hope is not lost. If anything, it is strengthened. This initial reaction has reinforced my sense, that my actions were overdue. This gives me hope that others will see it too & that perceptions can change.

I am yet to see reaction of my friends Psychiatrist. My impression of him is that he is very easy going, & my friend has confirmed this. I don't think I've ever had a one to one conversation with him. I can't be certain, however I think he seems like a genuine good guy. My friend, now has an appt scheduled with his psych, based on things I mentioned in my notes. We are just waiting to find out the date it will be scheduled for. My hope is, that he will see the worth & act upon it.

My friend feels more understood than I think he ever has. He feels a weight has lifted. He is happy that all this information has been passed on to professionals.

Last positive, is that, even though we were kind of ignored by his CM - I feel like our positions are more defined.

Thankyou @Former-Member for mentioning your feelings about advocating with authority figures. It made me feel better.

I think you are also right about recognising the toll things have taken on me, & why I was feeling emotional in accepting that - & how I am showing more kindness to myself now.

It was great to read about our shared views & how the world isn't educated to see non- professionals as equally important counterparts. Wow! I really needed to read that.

I know I can be an idealist. I am who I am. I'm learning to be more realistic. It's not good to go through disappointment all the time. It sux to think, that I have to change, to fit in to this world. I don't want to. Who I am, feels bigger than me. At times, I feel like I'm being led.... Like seeing your post now!💜

We have one last GP appt tomorrow re: untreated health problem.

*He had attended GP by himself last week, seeking medical attention. He was given short term script for pain killers & sent away. I don't think he knew how to express himself & GP clearly couldn't be bothered. I need to go with him tomorrow, to ensure the issue is properly investigated & treatment provided.

After that, I plan to do nothing! For at least a few days. Unless it is an emergency, I'm going to be practicing how good I can be at saying 'no' 😊 & give myself time out to rest & catch up on my tv shows, I think.

xx

In response to: Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

Re: Advice on sleep deprivation

@tyme @Former-Member @Paperdaisy I forgot to mention. - I wrote in the 'brainstorming ideas' section of my document about having a peerworker that could be available to my friend. Maybe they could attend things like GP appointments, or go grocery shopping with him etc

I am unaware if this is a even a possibility. I was wondering if you knew about any programs or if you are able to offer any information you may have?

I completely understand if unable to offer advice. It is hugely complex situation. I always appreciate your ongoing support. Thankyou.

11 - 20 of 28