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First time poster thrown into deep waters (edited)

First time poster thrown into deep waters (edited)

Hello, everyone! It's my first time posting and I appreciate you all taking the time to read this. My thoughts are so jumbled up right now, I'm not sure how to write this all down. It seems like the plot to a movie, but I assure you, this is very real and happening to someone I care about.

I'm going to attempt to give as much information as I can without revealing personal info.

I recently got back into contact with a close friend of mine. He and I had a falling out when we were younger, roughly 10 years ago, and haven't talked much since. He got back into contact with me out of the blue one day, then dropped off the face of the earth for a while, then got back into contact with me. After a few conversations, he let me in on his secret - he's being gang stalked.

I had no idea what gang stalking was at first, so I looked it up. Most of the information I found seemed to say that people who say they're being gang stalked are actually suffering from paranoia or schizophrenia.

I tried to be a sounding board for his ideas. I never dismissed them out of hand like the rest of his friends and family, I simply listened and tried to give him advice, basically "what would I do if this were happening to me?" It seemed to help. After the first few weeks of conversations, he seemed much calmer. He'd tell me how much the conversation was helping him, and how he can't believe he didn't think of this stuff himself. Things progressed from there. Every once in a while, he would let me know when someone would happen to trigger his paranoia, but other than that it was just a normal, awesome friendship. That is, until recently.

I had him and his girlfriend come stay with me for a few days, to reconnect in person and have a fun time. He woke me up in the middle of the night several different times because he was freaking out, saying "they were making his girlfriend twitch and laugh in her sleep right when he thought of something funny." Another time, he thought his girlfriend and I were sneaking into each other's rooms at night and having sex (this never happened - we never spent more than 10 seconds alone in the same room the entire time she was here). She also warned me before she came down here, on the phone, that he constantly gets paranoid and thinks his friends are having sex with his girlfriend. He assured me it wouldn't happen with me, but it did.

Things are much worse now. From time to time he seems normal, but the last two days have been bad. He suddenly thinks I'm "one of them". He'll randomly text me and ask me "how much are they paying you to do this?". He tells me about "street theater." How he'll be talking about something behind closed doors, then go into a public place and a group of people will bring up the very personal thing he just got done telling someone about at home. But it isn't just that - he's also picking apart what everyone says to him. The examples are so numerous it's hard to pick just one, but here's one that happened just today: we were on the phone, he was accusing me of being part of all this, and just before he did that I was telling him about a certain game I saw advertised online. He picked that apart and said it seemed like I was using the game as a metaphor, to basically tell him, "in code", "messing with you is a game to me and I'm going to laugh at you when you finally get locked up." he's done this to me multiple times, now. He said when he was staying at my home and his girl and him were doing laundry in my garage, he noticed a pair of her pants were slightly wet and asked her about it, she told him she didn't know how they got wet. Immediately after that I called him to the back corner of the garage to show him, inside my step-father's freezer, the 150lbs of fish he had recently caught on a trip to Alaska. He took that to mean "the pants were wet and I brought up fish because his girlfriend and I had just had "relations" behind his back." (completely untrue - it never happened) One minute he's telling me I'm helping him feel better, the next he's accusing me of being part of this, the next he's asking me to help him use logic to figure this stuff out.

He sees a psychiatrist, but not regularly. He's a regular marijuana smoker but hasn't had any lately. He takes anxiety medication.

Has anyone had experience with gang stalking? What do I do, here? I don't want to lose my friend again, and I definitely don't want to leave him all alone in all this. The rest of his family and friends are sick of hearing about it - his girlfriend threatens to leave him if he even brings it up to her again (because he's constantly asking her if she's cheating or "in on it").

And another part of me wonders if some or all of this isn't just in his head. How would I feel if this was happening to me and nobody believed me?

If you're going to ask me if he has any evidence, he actually has shown me two videos he's recorded, one of which seemed just like a guy was looking at him while he was smoking a cigarette, but another one actually disturbed me. A strange woman was walking down the street and suddenly just stops and stares at my friend, who pulls out his camera and records it. She stood there, blinking twice per second, for a good two minutes before she stopped staring at him.

EDIT: Had to change the post because of the sexual reference. I'm hoping I edited it to the point where it won't trigger anyone. I can edit further if necessary, but I completely removed the graphic description.

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I don't think you understand what gang stalking is. I suggest looking it up and reading about it, as there are a lot of different ways they mess with you. It's basically psychological warfare.

This is what he believed the woman was doing:
As I explained before, the people "in charge" of the gang stalking (also known as a multi dimensional matrix attack) find random people on the street. This is just one aspect of what they do. They will then pay them in cash or gift cards and give them instructions. In this situation, "walk to that apartment complex and stare at the man standing on the balcony. If he engages you in any way, leave. If he doesn't engage you, continue staring at him until we signal you."
About two minutes into the video, a car drives by her and pulls a U-turn. When it passes by her, the guy waves his arm at her and she turns, looks at him, then walks off as if nothing happened.
He tells me this kind of thing happens constantly, multiple times a day.

There is also another aspect of it known as "street theater". They will listen in on a private conversation he's having behind closed doors, in his own home or in his car. Then they will pay people in the same manner and tell them to stand at a certain location they know he will be at or near, and talk about this subject. They won't talk about the exact same story, but they will say certain key words. Example: if the original conversation was about buying his girlfriend something for her birthday, maybe an inside joke gift that nobody else knows about, then he would go to get in the car and a group of people are standing at the corner talking, and as he walks by he'll hear them mention "girlfriend" "birthday" and whatever the gift he was thinking of buying her happened to be.

Apparently, whenever they would stay at a hotel while on vacation, whenever he would walk into his hotel room after being gone, the phone would ring. When he would answer it, the person would hang up on the other end. This is apparently how they let him know "we are listening/watching." Or so he told me.

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@ConcernedCitizen. I have heard of 'gang stalking'. I was gang stalked. Street theatre is also possible, but not quite the way he believes. Listening in on private conversations is only possible if they have gained access and planted devices, or if there is some sort of attachment by headphone. If he locks his house and then finds he has had intruders, he needs to call the police. I can doubly assure you the police will NOT be involved in any conspiracy to 'bring him down'. Unless he has broken the law in some way, he will not be being 'hounded' in any way. I have been involved in assisting police and working as liaison with them, so I have some idea how they work. Staying in hotels and having the phone hung up after he answers it, does not happen. It's possible the switchboard has called by mistake, they will always apologize, never hang up without talking. If it does happen, all he needs to do is call the switchboard and ask them to check any and all calls to his room. The only other way he can be 'stalked' is through internet, this is called cyber stalking, usually fb. He needs to get the police to monitor his phone, I promise they will not be 'part of any conspiracy'. The police are too busy with tracking down actual law breakers to be part of any conspiracy. If he has been reported to the police, they would have interviewed him before now. I know the police do operate what they refer to as 'stings', this only happens when they need enough evidence to 'close' the book on a case where they know the person is guilty, but they need certain evidence that is being withheld. Your friend does not fit this category, so I would suggest you contact him either face to face and somehow persuade him to see the police or talk to someone who can reassure him.

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I havent been in a situation quite like that before, but I can imagine it would be extremly draining, so make sure you are being there for yourself as much as you are being there for him. You sound like an extremly good friend to help him through this, and despite him being in

If you are genuienly concered about it being a real-life threat, maybe it you should go to the police. And even if it is just a matter of reassurance for you and your friend that everything is ok in that respect (although I do know the problem is rooted a lot deeper)

Has your friend actually been diagnosied with anything? From the sounds of it, his meds might need to be taken a bit further than just anxiety meds, because they clearly dont seem to be helping much (but are you sure he is taking them?).

If I were you, I would continue doing every thing you can to encourage him to get help, and make his psychiatrist appointments more regular and consistant.

Good luck, and dont forget your not alone, and definetly not taken for granted.

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I appreciate both of your replies.

I have talked to him about letting the police know. He assures me that at least some of the police are involved in it. He doesn't know who. He says they definitely have corrupt cops on the police force in his town. He has given me several reasons why he believes this is happening to him but he seems to go back and forth. One minute it's because he learned too much about something in the military. The next time it's because he said bad things about people/services too many times and this is revenge. Another time it's the Hawaiian locals. Now he thinks it's the 3% Nation. He also mentioned to me before that it has something to do with the organization trying to pin a crime on him he didn't commit from a long time ago.

I'm trying to keep myself well but it's hard. Each conversation with him is different. Sometimes it's like talking to a friend and I hang up feeling refreshed. Other times it starts that way but ends up with him asking me if I'm in on it, or if maybe I'm helping them and don't know about it, or he's apologizing me for wronging me in some minor way in the past because he thinks I'm doing this because I secretly hate him. It's different every time.

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If someone was watching me and video taping me from their balcony id stop and stare at them too!!! He must have started taping before she stopped to look in order to catch her stopping.
People are probably acting strange around him because of the vibe he has, his mannerisms, too much direct ete contact trying to see if they are "in on it". Imagine how you would feel if someone you had never met is staring at you....unblinking...turning to look as you walk past. You would act strangely. He clearly needs some help it must be awful to feel like everyone is out to get you

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@Concernedcitizen. While your friend does have a valid point about there being 'corrupt' officers, there are loads of people who really do cause havoc by 'stalking'. Corrupt officers never last long, because their actions bring all their colleagues down and policemen, as a rule, don't tolerate corrupt officers. Your friend definitely needs to talk to someone about his fears. If he was in the military (which I'm doubting) he could possibly have been dishonourably discharged. He doesn't sound as though he's reliable and military personnel rely on each other for back-up. I think perhaps you should start suggesting he talk to a therapist because he is going to cause real problems with other people with his anti-social actions. You need to care for you and maybe try and distance yourself a bit. I'm inclined to agree with Princessmolly about his behaviour too. Unfortunately, when people act strangely, other people do stare. Children too can be extremely unkind and could make inappropriate comments about him.

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First of all, he started the video after she was already standing there staring at him. I have seen the video. He recorded her BECAUSE she was acting strangely and it actually gave him enough time to go get his camera and record her.

Secondly, why would you doubt he was in the military? Why do you assume he's always been like this? He joined the Marine Corps and served for five years. That's how he's getting his treatment now - he goes to the VA.

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Dear ConcernedCitizen. I never questioned your friend recording the lady watching him. I must admit to being concerned at her watching him so intently. If he was acting a bit 'off', perhaps she was waiting to see what he would do, I can't comment there. I'm starting to wonder if he has a form of PTSD, coupled with paranoia, because of military duties. With PTSD, the effects can be major, the sufferer hears and sees things that cannot be explained. If he was in the military and developed any sort of paranoia, it's possible, instead of helping him, they have discharged him, dishonourably. The problem here seems to be, he's supposed to be being treated through the VA. From what you say he seems to believe everyone is involved in a conspiracy against him. If this includes the VA, it's doubtful he will say too much to them for fear of recrimination. The situation you are in with him is way beyond your capabilities, because you seem to going two steps forward, one back. Just when you think he trusts you, he starts questioning you. It seems he believes you are conspiring along with everybody else. He doesn't trust his gf, he has questioned your relationship with her (I know, there isn't one), it's not what I'm saying, it's what he's saying. The help he needs is specialized and you, being a friend cannot give him that help. You need to care for you, and caring for him is something you can't do because he won't let you. You may have to get a bit 'hard' here and tell him straight to get some help. If you read Princessmolly's post, it may help you decide what you need to do. I think, if it was me, I'd be inclined to tell him, much as I care for you, there is nothing I can do, you need help that I can't provide. You may have to consider backing away for your own sake. You have been there for him, but nothing you do seems to have any impact on him, except he accuses you of conspiring with his gf. How does that help you or him?

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I have actually considered backing off and telling him he needs help. But I don't want to leave him alone during this time. I'm afraid he could do something drastic, like harm himself, if he were brought to his lowest point. I feel like I'm the one life line he has in his life right now. And while I can't officially help him or treat him, I think having someone to talk to definitely helps him feel better.

When he does accuse me of being part of it, or not trusting me, I tell him I'm capable of leaving him alone if that's what he wants. It never is.
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