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My biggest hurdle - shame

My biggest hurdle - shame

I don't know how to stop it controlling me.

I've read the books, I've listened to the podcasts. All they've done is make me feel deficient and not good enough.

My psych acknowledges that it is a trauma trigger and that we need to resolve the root of the trauma, but how the hell do we do that when I can only see him 10 times a year?

Every time I hurt someones feelings unintentionally (and this seems to happen a lot, despite my best intentions, I have low cognitive empathy) it turns into a really big thing and I can't just drop it and apologise like a normal person. I either perform remorse so I don't get hit, or I shut down and get defensive. And I HATE it.

It's like as soon as I start feeling shame or fear that I'm a bad person, or that I'm being punished, all of my social skills and empathy goes out the window and I turn into a porcupine. The other person stops existing except as a stand in for someone who hurt me.

What's worse is when they comfort me for my reaction to hurting them. I'm being manipulative now. It fuels the cycle. This is proof that I'm a bad person. I want them to comfort me so badly but I don't because they're hurting too and they deserve to be comforted and I can't, why am I like this??

I just hurt. Why is this wound so damn hard to work with?

I can logically understand it, yes of course, intent doesn't equal impact 100% agreed. Shame spirals are self sabotaging, absolutely! I hear and I listen and I understand and I unpack....... and I immediately do it again. Except now I feel worse because I know I fucked up.

I respond so strongly to other peoples emotions (high emotional empathy) and it is legitimately disabling when combined with my cptsd. I really don't know what to do and I guess what I want right now is to hear from people that this is not just me, that other people experience similar things, that it will be ok and I'll get there?

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Re: My biggest hurdle - shame

@GalaxyOwl

hi. i relate. i have naturally very low empathy, i was abused, and also wasted my formative years on tumblr which is a machine that gives people moral OCD. now the only "apology" i think is legitimate for anything is basically ostracising myself from the person i hurt. in my view any attempt to make amends is just manipulating the person who shouldn't have to forgive me and my sincere feelings of contrition are no different from me being forced to apologise to my father who'd never change

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Re: My biggest hurdle - shame

Hey @mallory_strife


Thanks for sharing your experiences with the community, it sounds like you've been through a lot. It's really brave for you to be so vulnerable with your peers.

If you would ever want to reach out and have a chat, 1800 Respect might be a good place to start!

I encourage you to continue reaching out to community, I'm sure our wonderful peers might have some similar experiences!

Thanks!

p3nny_l4ne

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Re: My biggest hurdle - shame

Hey @GalaxyOwl

This is an incredibly heavy thing to carry, and I want to start off by saying that you are not alone, and you are not a bad person.

As someone who also has CPTSD, I want you to know that I hear you, and how overwhelming shame can be (I call it battling the "shame storm"). When going through a shame storm, logic feels useless because a physiological and emotional hijack is happening in the brain. It makes so much sense that you feel frustrated when books and podcasts don't help, because they often address the mind, while from my own understanding, shame lives within our nervous system.

When you feel that surge of shame, your brain isn't just processing a social mistake for example, it's processing a threat to your survival. For someone with trauma, hurting another person's feelings can feel like a precursor to abandonment or physical danger. I want you to know that shutting down or getting defensive is not a character flaw, it's your nervous system keeping you "safe" (whether there is an actual threat or not). You are not choosing to be difficult, your brain has simply hit the emergency eject button on your social skills to prioritise safety.

You mentioned that you "logically understand" everything but "immediately do it again". This is perhaps one of the more frustrating parts of the trauma recovery journey. Logic lives within the prefrontal cortex of the brain, but shame and trauma live within the amygdala and in the brainstem. When the shame starts to spiral, the "logical" part of your brain goes offline. You can't think your way out of a storm happening in your body.

It is also quite common for people with CPTSD to feel like they are being "manipulative" when they receive comfort after a mistake. True manipulation is a conscious, calculated choice to control someone for personal gain. What you are experiencing is emotional dysregulation. You want comfort because you are in genuine pain. The fact you feel guilty for receiving it, and that you care so much about the other person's feelings, is the ultimate proof that you are not a bad or malicious person. A bad person wouldn't be agonising over this the way you are.

Another point I'd like to bring up is that having high emotional empathy but lower cognitive empathy (struggling to read the "why" or "how" of a social situation) is an exhausting combination(but I can relate to it to an extent in my own experience of being AuDHD and having CPTSD). You can feel the "burn" of their hurt, but don't have the map to navigate out of it. This creates a feedback loop of: you feel their pain, you panic because you don't know how to fix it, the panic triggers shame, and then that shame triggers you to shutdown etc.

Since you only see the psychologist 10 times in a year, it's important to recognise that the goal isn't to "fix" the root trauma overnight, it's about reducing the secondary shame you experience (the shame you feel for having a shame storm/spiral). Here's two little things that might be useful to you to practice:

  • when you have calmed down after, try to tell yourself "my nervous system thought I was in danger. I wasn't being bad, I was triggered, and I am learning".
  • try externalise the shame, so instead of calling it "my shame", you could call it "the voice" or "the storm" - it is something happening to you, it is not something that is you

Many people with CPTSD, including myself, have been or currently are exactly where you are. We have felt that same "unfixable" wound and the same self-loathing. And many of us have found a way to a life where the spirals/storms a shorter, shallower and less frequent.

You are not failing at recovery, you're in one of the hardest parts of it where you have the awareness but not yet the tools and skills to change the bodily response. That awareness is a massive, painful, but necessary step in the recovery journey.

Try to be kind to yourself, and also do something nice for yourself this evening.

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Re: My biggest hurdle - shame

Apologies for the delayed response. I wasn't getting notifications for some reason. @MatchaToad

Thankyou so much for this thoughtful response. I genuinely feel seen and having my experiences normalised is such a huge thing for me. Thankyou.

The thing that stuck out to me the most was about the reason for the pain, being fear of abandonment or punishment. Yeah this is real for me. Really real. The cycles I get stuck in are affecting my relationship with my partner because they feel helpless and like nothing they do works or sticks. The logic part can't outrun the physiological part. I'm so afraid they're going to leave me because of it and it reinforces it further. As soon as I realise i've done something wrong i shut down and can't productively engage in their hurt. I hate it.

i want to do better and I just keep backsliding.

Every time I try to do something different, my partner brings up past grievences and we're right back in it and i'm shutting down again, and now this time they're telling me that because it happened again, none of the good things mattered. I don't know how to get out of this they keep pulling me back into it and then saying i did it.

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Hi @GalaxyOwl

No need to apologise for the delay! Things can get busy, and as you said, notifications can be missed at times.

It is incredibly painful to feel like you're finally making a small step forward, only to be pulled back by the weight of past mistakes. It sounds like you are trapped in this reactive cycle where both you and your partner are now triggering one another's survival instincts.

When they bring up past grievances in the middle of a current mistake, it's like trying to put out a small kitchen fire with a tidal wave of every fire you've ever had. Your nervous system simply cannot handle that much "threat", so it shuts down to survive.

It is very common in relationships with trauma for a non-traumatised partner to feel that "if it happens again, no progress was made". But that is not how healing works. Growth isn't the absence of the "porcupine" reaction; growth is the speed of the recovery. When your partner says "none of the good things mattered," they are unintentionally nuking the foundation of safety you are trying to build. If the "good things" don't count, your brain decides there is no point in trying, which fuels the shame spiral even more.

Right now, it sounds like your partner could be feeling hurt and unheard when you "porcupine", so they "throw the book at you (past grievances) to try and make you understand the depth of their own pain. But this has the opposite effect. It triggers your "shame/fear of punishment" response, causing you to shut down further. This creates another loop: they might feel ignored, get louder/bring up the past, you feel overwhelmed, you shut down, and they feel ignored.

Your partner's feelings are valid; however, their method of expressing their hurt/pain (bringing up the past during a trigger) is making it physically impossible for you to be the partner they want you to be in that moment.

If you want to respond to them or talk to your partner (break the cycle), consider the following focus areas:

  • Establish a "Peace-Time" Protocol: you cannot solve this while one of you is hurt or triggered. You need to talk when things are good. You could say something like "I love you, and I want to hear about your hurt/pain, but when the past gets brought up while I'm already spiralling, my brain literally shuts down. Can we agree to only talk about the current issue when it happens, and save the 'big picture' talks for when we are both calm?"
  • The "Pause" Button: practice a "safe word" or a physical gesture that means: "I am starting to shut down. I need 20 minutes to regulate so I can actually listen to you. I am not leaving you; I am going to breathe so I can come back".
  • Challenge the "Nothing Matters" Narrative: remind yourself (and eventually your partner) that a relapse in behaviour is not a deletion of progress. You are rewiring a brain that was programmed for years to stay safe through shame. That takes time.

Please try to be gentle with yourself. The fact that you "hate it" and "want to do better" is the most important piece of information here. You are not "backsliding" - you are navigating a very steep mountain with a very heavy pack on your back. Every time you recognise the cycle, you are gaining a foot of ground, even if it doesn't feel like it yet.

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Thanks so much for this. Genuinely very helpful advice. I really appreciate the scripting for the 'peace-time' protocol. I really struggle with knowing what to do when it happens.

For context, my partner is also heavily traumatised and we both do set each other off, but are always keeping open communication about how we can improve things when we're set off, and do better for each other so we both feel as safe as possible when things come up.

We had a talk the other day and they explained that, when they start saying things like 'i guess nothing mattered after all', they're not trying to be manipulative or punitive, and it's quite literally their brain shutting down and ejecting all the positive memories in the moment in order to protect themself if they need to run (gives you an idea of their core wounds).

We also talked about how yeah that may be the case but spiralling so hard after we just resolved something, or you took accountability, is deeply unhelpful and makes me feel really bad and shamed for expecting better of you, and makes it scary to bring stuff up because it might trigger hours and hours of soothing you and reassuring you and trying not to set off a bomb. They acknowledged this and agreed it's something they need to change and want to work on it.

They also acknowledged that bringing stuff up from the past would feel really hard for me, however it is a way they emotionally regulate and make sense of the present and order of events. They're not trying to pull me back in by throwing the book at me and kitchen sinking, they're trying to make sense of reality. "Ok so this happened back than, and now you did this thing that I thought you were working on, why did that happen? why are we back here?" or "you're doing so much better than this time last year when you did x thing". It always hits me like a tonne of bricks and no matter how many times I explain how it's inappropriate to be doing that in conversation with me, because it puts me in a position where I have to essentially be 'yes i fucked up and i'm going to behave now' even if they don't intend it that way (and they don't). It's fundementally a difference of neurotype and trauma coping, but I still don't like it and wish that we could find ways to satisfy their need for things to make sense without me feeling like i'm being thrown under the bus.

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