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Something’s not right

Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Unexpected outcomes

The chart above show a significant peak around mid October 2022. There was a lot of things going on in my life at the time creating a lot of stress. If I had been using my previous medication regime, I would have started ramping up the dosage a couple of weeks before hand but I decided to take the chance and stay with the new psychological practices while at the same time keeping a very nervous eye on the pill packet. After my experiences with the Victorian mental health authorities in Dec 2021, the last thing I needed was to have a psychotic episode and finish up in a hospital again.


On the evening of the 12th October I realised that I was drifting in and out of a psychosis. I went online to the a forum that I use these days for psychotic support and just stated typing

12/10/2022 23:07
“Something is not right. I am not exactly having a psychotic episode but I'm drifting in and out of "unshared reality" . I have been trying to play my clarinet but finding it difficult to focus. In the last 48 hours I have become obsessive about the possibility of an immanent nuclear war but a couple of people I have tried to talk to about it just laugh at me and tell me not to be stupid…...”


Within a few minutes someone joined me. We exchanged a few words but it was more about just having someone to connect with. Over the next 24 hours the episode passed without incident. At its peak, my partner had been sitting in the other room watching TV. She wasn’t even aware that anything had happened.

To say this was a weird and somewhat life changing experience would be an understatement.


There are numerous contemporary accounts of people who have been diagnosed with things like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder who have learnt how to master these experiences and step in and out them without getting caught up or trapped in the inevitable chaos.


These sorts of experiences, have been recorded for centuries, often in a religious context, by people commonly referred to as mystics. They have reported encountering terrifying numinous powers that are beyond comprehension or understanding.


Others have reported these sorts of states as one of intense creativity. Poet-songwriter Leonard Cohen said in an in interview toward the end of his life that he had absolutely no idea where the words of his poetry/songs came from. They just “arrive out of nowhere”.


Some have reported that these experiences provide them with powerful understandings about the meaning and purpose to life. For many, particularly those who suffer mental health problems, life often seems to have become devoid of meaning. This flow of meaning from this “unshared reality” experience has been described as vast and as boundless as human imagination.


Their are some who claim that madness has its own patterns of perfectly reasonable logic and order which is just different in an unusual way. This is the language of madness that I was introduced to during these past therapy sessions.


It seems that a sense of connection with everything including other human beings is what makes the difference between being able to swim in these waters and drowning in them.


A useful analogy that my therapist suggested was one of surfing. Surfing the waves of emotion and imagination as they rise and fall in the realm of unshared reality

Surfing waves of emotion and imagination. The realm of unshared reality


Having just caught my first wave, I certainly make no claims to be a competent surfer but the exhilaration of this experience was enough to make me want to grab my board and paddle out to that deep water to try again.


It is both disappointing and destructive that so many people, particularly so called professional helpers try to block or prevent others from journeying through these psychological spaces in search of a happier, more productive life. In my opinion, this happens not only because of mainstream ignorance and lack of imagination around what mental illness is about, but also because these experiences represent what we’re all most afraid of.


If you took the time to listen
If you had the heart to hear
What you’d see within my madness
Is the shadow of your fear


Can a neuro-typical normal person transcend this non reality mind space into controlled madness? I can see no theoretical reason why not except that it would require sufficient motivation to overcome the inherent, existential fear. I suspect that many neuro-typical people would find it difficult to muster enough motivation to keep at it for long enough to get tangible results.


The advantage of being naturally mad is that life sort of throws you into the deep water. You have no choice. You have to learn to swim or you drown.


In other words, you don’t have to be mad but it probably helps.

Regards
Willy

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In response to: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

@Willy

Glad you are finding away to put unusual psychic experiences into better perspective.

I have read or seen podcasts of a lot of your references and tend to agree with a lot fo what you say, however, there was no "chart above" as mentioned in your opening. I also wondered where part 4 was.

Keep sharing in Sane. I for one value someone with similar outlooks and research. I used to be "afraid of going mad" but been at it for so long now, I am more accepting of being mad or not. That said, there can very severe limitations in function and psychosocial awareness and circumstances, but still I feel it is best to proceed with optimism.

Take Care

Apple

In response to: Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Hi @Appleblossom
Thanks for your encouragement. It helps.

In regard to "no chart above as mentioned in your opening"...


There is an annoying bug in the Sane system which forces me to split the post into two parts. This a messy, time wasting and unsatisfactory work-around but at the moment I see no other option. There is a maximum post size of 20,000 characters which is about 2000 words. This post (the total of two parts) was well under that but it still gets rejected as oversized.

The two parts are -

1. Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5a
2. Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

The "above chart" referred to is in Part 5a

This bug was reported to the SANE organisation last year but has not yet been dealt with or even acknowledged.

All in the goodness of time I suppose along with many other forum problems that I have been looking into, documenting and planning to post about soon.

The link to part 4 is at the top of Part 5a. but if you can't find it or it doesn't work, here is the direct link. Just paste and copy into the URL section of your browser

https://saneforums.org/t5/Something-s-not-right/Finally-Found-A-CBT-p-Practitioner-Part-4/m-p/1188950


On being afraid of going mad

I was initially very fearful of publicly declaring myself "mad" but having taken that step I am getting increasing comfortable with my new "non diagnostic" label. In my opinion it is probably the best way to make "lived experience" count for something worthwhile and one gets to meet and talk with some very interesting and worthwhile other "mad" people in the process.

For example, check out Australian psychiatrist Dr Nail McLaren who in my opinion has a message of hope for those of us who have had to deal with the horrors of the existing mental health system as well as our own problems. Almost everyone seems to agree the existing system is an atrocity but many seem to be too frightened or intimidated to challenge it.

It is encouraging to come across Australians like McLaren who are or were a part of the "establishment" and are now speaking out loudly and eloquently about the problems.

Here is a quote from one of his books "Anxiety - The Inside Story"

In the UK, the disagreeable and opinionated Henry Maudsley (1835-1918) exerted a huge influence over the development of the new “science of mental disorder.” At only 23yrs of age, soon after he had graduated in medicine, he became superintendent of a small mental hospital, then another until he retired to private practice at the age of thirty. However, he wrote prolifically and, in the same year, became editor of the Journal of Mental Science, later renamed the British Journal of Psychiatry. In 1870, he declared that all mental disease is brain disease, setting orthodox British psychiatry on a course it has held to the present:


Mental disorders are neither more nor less than nervous diseases in which mental symptoms predominate, and their entire separation from other nervous diseases has been a sad hindrance to progress....


Have no doubt: in making this profound statement, Maudsley knew little or nothing about mental disorder, about the brain, neurophysiology, pharmacology, genetics, or anything. All he had was a supreme confidence in his own judgement, which remains part of the English-speaking professorial tradition.


I am still reading this book. I will post a review here on this forum and elsewhere when I have finished it.

I am gleefully discovering that there are a bunch of others like McLaren in this mad world.

Stay happily mad
Willy

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In response to: Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Ha ha @Willy Staying happily mad is a lovely thought. I will take it away with me.

I mainly got those gross fake nails in my search ... think he is a Niall...lol

https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/dr-niall-mclaren-brisbane-qld-au/

In response to: Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

I just noticed you haven't been here for a while, @Appleblossom. All well with you?

In response to: Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Thanks for noticing @Historylover

Had a holiday and back safe and sound. Tell you about it later.

Love Apple

In response to: Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Re: Finally Found- A CBT-p Practitioner- Part 5b

Good to hear from you, @Appleblossom. A holiday! Looking forward to hearing about it.

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